Crafting needs a rework

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The rest of it doesn't really address any of the issues so I can't really comment on it.

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Mizenkailash#2794 wrote:

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Cicsero#2961 wrote:

Not picking up even Tier 2-4 items, quickly identifying them, and deciding to toss or keep them in that moment is fundamentally a skill issue.

How on Earth is picking up something, IDing it, and keeping or tossing it a "skill" issue?

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Mizenkailash#2794 wrote:

I've played POE for well over 10 years now, and for most of that time I've tried to be patient with the crafting system. But with POE2 in EA, I think it's time for the devs to look at reworking the crafting system.

Without delving into the numerous issues (tiered currency, floor drops being 99% worthless, RNG playing way too much a role, etc) I'm curious WHY crafting is unnecessarily complex? I've got a few friends who play the game casually, and I've spent multiple hours explaining how to craft items to them. I'd venture to guess that most casual players are NEVER going to fully grasp crafting. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most devs do not fully grasp the crafting system.

Is there a reason crafting has been made so needlessly difficult to understand?

I don't know anyone who thinks crafting in POE/POE2 is fun. And it's certainly far more difficult than necessary, with most serious players investing a ton of time, effort, and money into squirreling away gear into dozens or hundreds of stash tabs. Not to mention spending dozens of hours finding crafting materials (Omen of Light, Echoes, Greater or Perfect Exalts, etc) only to get terrible RNG. Does it really sound fun to waste hours and hours finding these mats only to get trash rolls?

Easy solution: ditch useless affixes like "light radius" and the dreaded "lower attribute requirements", and maybe link/weight certain affixes to certain items (for example: hp more likely on armor, +melee damage more likely to appear alongside flat damage on gloves)

More complicated solution: rework crafting altogether so floor drops are more useful and crafting doesn't require hours of watching videos or reading guides.

The greatest games (Mario, Tetris, etc) are great because woven into their simplicity is a gradual ramping up of difficulty that teaches the player how to master the game. So much of POE is already complex. Why make crafting so byzantine and miserable? As an HCSSF/SSF player, the game is fun and playable, but crafting is an aggravating slog that often takes a lot of enjoyment out of the game.

Thanks for reading.

PS. I'd also recommend an update to the tier system for floor drops. I can't count how many hours a season I spend simply look through floor drops in hopes of finding something other than trash. It's sad to ID a tier 5 floor drop only to find max lower attributes or some other trash. I'd recommend a system that weighs synergies between modifiers to rate gear. For example, if a quarterstaff drops with % phys and +phys (both high tier) give it an A rating or something. The current tiering system is a joke.

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KaosuRyoko#1633 wrote:

The depth of crafting is literally the only reason I started playing PoE to begin with. I love it. Not sold on the socketables stuff in 2 yet, but overall still love the crafting complexity. It is actively fun for me, that's why I'm usually mostly a hideout warrior.

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Cicsero#2961 wrote:

That's because you and I don't agree on what the issues is. I said it's an issue with expectation and gave you an example of my expectation and experience.

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You believe that the sole existence of bad modifiers is good enough reason to rework craftin all together. I know you started another thread to vent about Reduced Attribute Requirement and thats fine. I don't like it when it ruins a craft either, but bad RNG isn't a reason to not interact with a system or claim that's true for everyone.

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

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KaosuRyoko#1633 wrote:

The depth of crafting is literally the only reason I started playing PoE to begin with. I love it. Not sold on the socketables stuff in 2 yet, but overall still love the crafting complexity. It is actively fun for me, that's why I'm usually mostly a hideout warrior.

So basically they should rebrand to a crafting simulator and not an ARPG.
I respect your opinion, but at the end of the day, it doesn't need to be the way it is.

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Mizenkailash#2794 wrote:

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Cicsero#2961 wrote:

Not picking up even Tier 2-4 items, quickly identifying them, and deciding to toss or keep them in that moment is fundamentally a skill issue.

How on Earth is picking up something, IDing it, and keeping or tossing it a "skill" issue? It's fundamentally a time issue, namely busywork for the sake of busywork with a statistically tiny chance of that item being worthwhile. That isn't skill. Or fun. It's a massive timesink, and one of the fundamental problems with crafting. Ground loot is nearly always worthless. And the time needed to verify that fact doesn't add to the game. It's simply a waste of time.

And to the gentleman above who said that easier crafting would make trade worthless. That's mind-boggling. POE was initially designed without trade. The trade system was essentially created by players. GGG taking over 10 years to add a semi-functional trade system is testament to this fact. POE isn't a trade simulator with an ARPG tacked on. It's the opposite.

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lupasvasile#5385 wrote:

I'd have to slightly correct you on the trade issue. From the start, back when Chris was in charge, GGG has stated numerous times that trade is a non negotiable factor in POE. Over and over GGG made it clear that trade is a core part of POE. Players simply got hooked on abusing the system and getting instant power for almost no work.

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lupasvasile#5385 wrote:

I'd have to slightly correct you on the trade issue. From the start, back when Chris was in charge, GGG has stated numerous times that trade is a non negotiable factor in POE. Over and over GGG made it clear that trade is a core part of POE. Players simply got hooked on abusing the system and getting instant power for almost no work.