When Dogma Stifles Design: Why Fate of the Vaal Failed the Majority
" Ok here goes (data from Poe.ninja) - Inflation of stuff can't be obtained from temple: Rakiatas flow - 20 divs in abyss, 160 div now Essence of horror - 6.1 divs in abyss, 16 div now Omen of annulments/erasure - 7-8 divs in abyss, 37 divs now Deflation of stuff can be obtained from temple: +1 spell rune - 31 divs in abyss, less than 1 div now Unfortunately PoE2 ninja doesn't have unique items otherwise it would be even easier to prove my point. Also GGG wouldn't panic hotfix temple multiple times if they didn't think they fucked up bad. So yeah you might not be convinced but the devs defs are |
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" I come from a culture that despises frameworks like ITIL and I hate bureaucracy a lot... But even then, some sort of common sense and procedures are required. I seen the interview when they disclosed they had hired a data analyst, probably not enough depending on their toolkit, but a homebrew toolkit build on demand for their needs seems potent as concept. From my experience, a new release always demands attention because something will be broken, either in deployment or in the software itself... This is just my assumption, but PoE2 seems to be a multi million projects, probably in the tens if not hundreds of millions. A prevention team spanning from ops to development during the first two weeks of release would be dirt cheap compared to the what was already invested on the project. It's not only about engineering, brand matters. |
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" I hate to write this posts... Because in one hand, I do admire them a lot from an engineering point of view, I like their vision too, but the disconnect they have with the community hits hard on my heart. Both sides need to concede in some points for the major good and that the game becomes the success we all want it to be. |
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From a fellow engineer, I think it's atrocious not to have a decent-sized senior team of engineers on standby post-launch (and even on holidays). To add insult to the injury, Jhonathan himself claimed to have coded the Vaal Temple feature in an interview. Why wasn't he at the office during the holidays? Or more realistically, didn't remote access-in to put the fire out? I agree with almost all you pointed out. The only big divergence I have is regarding the economy. I don't think it is that terrible from a casual point of view. The argument that Crafting materials are expensive is also not that strong since ppl can farm those for profit now. I think in the end things stabilize and almost always return to a stable place. Anyways. Great review. Last edited by Coldfir3#9471 on Jan 12, 2026, 4:37:00 PM
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" PoE Scout has some of the unique prices. Anyhow. I think it's pretty expected that when a new league mechanic is overall very good for loot, people will mass farm it and whatever can drop there, becomes cheaper; and what can't drop there, becomes more expensive. Why does this mean that the economy has destabilized? The economy started afresh with that league mechanic in place, after all. |
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" Yeah, that was kinda sus. Like.. GGG has 200 employees. Why would a single person program a whole league mechanic? To me, it sounds either like bad distribution of work or lack of coordination; or, it sounds like - and this I find more likely - the leadership not wanting to give credit to their employees who did much of the actual work. Which is unfortunately extremely common, and we live in this weird cult-like thing where successes and failures are personified into company executives and the company leadership, while in reality 95% of the work - and thus, most of the effort behind success, and most of the mistakes behind failures - is done by people who are not in the leadership. Overall to me GGG seems like a company very much centered around their founders and being unwilling to lift up their employees. You can go look at reviews on Glassdoor. This is one of the unfortunate sides to GGG, which at the end of the day does deliver a great game and listens more to their playerbase than most game companies do. Last edited by tzaeru#0912 on Jan 12, 2026, 4:38:15 PM
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" And the problem with doing that is you didnt check to see if anything it had spat out was blatantly wrong. Your title is a testament to that. A ridiculously large audience actually wants to restart the exact same league. With the league mechanic. And at least 7x less players. Not something that is indicative of "failing the majority" Id rather not argue with a chat bot though as its not productive. Mash the clean
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" Jonathan did a great work on the SMP scheduler, but it will drag for some time considering the thread on deadlocks. Even for experts like Intel or IBM writing a scheduler would be a brutal task... I admire his will to take such path... It is a good thing for PoE2... Out of New Zealand came one of the best engineers I grew up to admire, Alan Cox, they should have hired Cox for the scheduler 🤣 About the temple, at the present moment, it's easy to understand that it was a high investment high reward activity... I don't even think the temple itself was badly implemented, but the loops between the beacons and temple, this was a huge exploitable mess. I can't understand how instance related exploits are still thriving and not tested properly... But from my personal experience, it's easy to understand how marketing/management and billing departments can fuck up the brightest of engineering with absurd deadlines and financial goals... So, Ill restrain for attacking them, they have proved that they are very good, but there's a lot of room for improvement in processes. |
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" I guess my phrasing wasn´t very clear, I know they're both AI, easy to tell with so much "--" spam lol |
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" I understand, haters will always hate... And if you look back at other threads, I was one of the first voices to criticise them for not rolling back. Many of those threads were deleted, probably for naming and shaming... That would not happen if people sanitizer their posts through AI. Also your conception about chatbots and LLMs are a bit weird... Are you sure that the 36/40 next to my name says I am a chatbot? Or maybe it's a testament of something else? Or did I unintentionally smoked out something? 😎 |
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