Everyone need to figure out what kind of player you are. Think it through before continuing

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Kotrr#0849 wrote:

i thought about it and pretty much every game sucks both on a micro and macro level. even if every single company wasn't developing games based on $ signs and appealing to the unwashed masses, the human mind functions in such a way that you either become unhealthily addicted or you become tired of virtually anything that you spend time doing (i.e. can't have the same meal too many times in a row).

when i realize how much gaming sucks on the macro level (utter waste of time in the grand scheme of life) i go outside and try to enjoy that but it sucks even more so i just go back inside and accept my situation.

Please don't make a simple thing sound so philosophical, it's really not that complicated.

It's like paying $200 to go bowling club. You and your friends have gone dozens of times, only to find out that some people pay just $1 to play all night.
When you ask the club why, they tell you it's because they like to cheat, so the club opened a backdoor for them to cheat, but only they can cheat, not you.

You still have to pay $200 to get in. It's as simple as that. If you can accept it, keep playing at that club. If not, just stop going.

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JQJQ#8553 wrote:

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Kotrr#0849 wrote:

i thought about it and pretty much every game sucks both on a micro and macro level. even if every single company wasn't developing games based on $ signs and appealing to the unwashed masses, the human mind functions in such a way that you either become unhealthily addicted or you become tired of virtually anything that you spend time doing (i.e. can't have the same meal too many times in a row).

when i realize how much gaming sucks on the macro level (utter waste of time in the grand scheme of life) i go outside and try to enjoy that but it sucks even more so i just go back inside and accept my situation.

Please don't make a simple thing sound so philosophical, it's really not that complicated.

It's like paying $200 to go bowling club. You and your friends have gone dozens of times, only to find out that some people pay just $1 to play all night.
When you ask the club why, they tell you it's because they like to cheat, so the club opened a backdoor for them to cheat, but only they can cheat, not you.

You still have to pay $200 to get in. It's as simple as that. If you can accept it, keep playing at that club. If not, just stop going.

i think making an analogical post is more philosophical than my post which was really just a clear statement but w/e. i also don't understand your analogy or what it has to do with my post. something about fairness? im genuinely not sure.

my point was really just that more people should embrace the nihilistic realities of their circumstances lol instead of being so naive and toxic-positive and ignorant about everything, people are really just screaming back and forth about what toppings they prefer on their pizza while the ground is crumbling beneath our feet. not only is nobody satisfied/content but who ever said life was about achieving satisfaction anyway? we're so deep in the hole lmao.

these responses kinda just prove what im saying which is that people have no idea what's going on. everyone is living in a small bubble where rather than trying to fathom the realities and purpose of our very existence, almost everybody's entire universe is literally just about extracting pleasure from life and debating with each other about how to get 0.1% more pleasure or what's the most fair way to market pleasure, all this really bizarre stuff.

and the hedonism is so bad that people ignore even the fact that there's virtually nothing left to extract both on an economic level and a technological level. even something like 70% of what you find in grocery stores is processed and slowly destroying your body. and the dopamine of modern technology already transcends what the human mind can healthily manage or should ever receive, which is exactly why you see so much dissatisfaction, and its costing everything to continue doing it and like the last guy proved, people don't even see themselves as addicted, so they just keep paying and because of that blind intense desperation for nonstop pleasure/entertainment everything is just really bad and will continue to degrade.

it all comes down to one issue which is just the human perception and treatment of life.

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JQJQ#8553 wrote:

For anyone who wants to continue playing POE2, you need to always remember that the time you spend in the game is always about 30 times that of many others.

You might need 10 hours to produce 50 Div, while those people only need at most 30 minutes, because you didn't use BUGs, and you are not exploiters.And GGG has set rules to ensure that you have no chance to use BUGs,they make sure you have no chance to use game exploits,while at the same time GGG ensures that those who used BUGs can continue to use them indefinitely.

If you are such a person who enjoys spending 30 hours to improve your character, and also enjoys seeing others achieve the same effect in just 30 minutes,then you are very suitable to continue playing.

Otherwise,you should stop playing.It simply depends on what kind of player you want to be.

With GGG's current approach,every critical exploit that has occurred since version 0.1,up to the current0.4,and even in future like 0.5,0.6,and 0.7,will inevitably repeat.

Through their actions,GGG has made it explicitly clear that,no matter what,they will always go to great lengths to protect the interests of players who exploit these bugs early on.They shut down the exploit once it becomes widely known, yet,through a series of ingenious ideas allow those early exploiters to continue benefiting from it.

Meanwhile, the rest of the player base has to invest dozens of times more effort to progress their characters.This has almost become an ingrained part of the company's culture.

Sorry but things are not so easy... W have a saying in my part of the world: 'Rome wasn't built in one day'. This applies perfectly to Path of Exiles. The game is complex enough to take substancial time to master many mechanics, any buff/nerf patch requires readjustments. Copying a high performance build isn't enough. Instead of quitting this league, use it to build experience for the next one, this is important.

I do believe there are mechanics (gravebind) and things that create a huge gap, what I don't understand is why people resort to complain instead of improving and fighting back. If you can't fight them alone, then join your friends.

I don't understand why people, even casuals can't form groups and farm using culling strategies with Gravebinds. I don't understand why people can band together on a guild and start the league with the guild mass supporting a few pushers to reach endgame faster and then have the pushers helping the rest of the guild. I don't understand why people don't develop asymmetric tactics and employ force multipliers to overcome challenges and become more competitive.

Complaining on the forums doesn't fix any issues beyond busting other people's motivation. Why don't you wrote a thread instead of this one along the lines of:

Subject: looking for people to make culling/aurabot farm

Or eventually:

Subject: looking for people to new guild oriented for group farming and early league dominance.

Or even:

Subject: looking for people for early league dominance and market domination: we provide training and help, you provide time and commitment.

Wouldn't something like that work better for the goals you want to reach?

Just a thought, no hostility.

I'm not salty about the holten thing but kinda pity for those got banned in 0.2 ritual incident. GGG should have let energy crytals be tradable so we can support the 0.1% further tho.

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

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JQJQ#8553 wrote:

For anyone who wants to continue playing POE2, you need to always remember that the time you spend in the game is always about 30 times that of many others.

You might need 10 hours to produce 50 Div, while those people only need at most 30 minutes, because you didn't use BUGs, and you are not exploiters.And GGG has set rules to ensure that you have no chance to use BUGs,they make sure you have no chance to use game exploits,while at the same time GGG ensures that those who used BUGs can continue to use them indefinitely.

If you are such a person who enjoys spending 30 hours to improve your character, and also enjoys seeing others achieve the same effect in just 30 minutes,then you are very suitable to continue playing.

Otherwise,you should stop playing.It simply depends on what kind of player you want to be.

With GGG's current approach,every critical exploit that has occurred since version 0.1,up to the current0.4,and even in future like 0.5,0.6,and 0.7,will inevitably repeat.

Through their actions,GGG has made it explicitly clear that,no matter what,they will always go to great lengths to protect the interests of players who exploit these bugs early on.They shut down the exploit once it becomes widely known, yet,through a series of ingenious ideas allow those early exploiters to continue benefiting from it.

Meanwhile, the rest of the player base has to invest dozens of times more effort to progress their characters.This has almost become an ingrained part of the company's culture.

Sorry but things are not so easy... W have a saying in my part of the world: 'Rome wasn't built in one day'. This applies perfectly to Path of Exiles. The game is complex enough to take substancial time to master many mechanics, any buff/nerf patch requires readjustments. Copying a high performance build isn't enough. Instead of quitting this league, use it to build experience for the next one, this is important.

I do believe there are mechanics (gravebind) and things that create a huge gap, what I don't understand is why people resort to complain instead of improving and fighting back. If you can't fight them alone, then join your friends.

I don't understand why people, even casuals can't form groups and farm using culling strategies with Gravebinds. I don't understand why people can band together on a guild and start the league with the guild mass supporting a few pushers to reach endgame faster and then have the pushers helping the rest of the guild. I don't understand why people don't develop asymmetric tactics and employ force multipliers to overcome challenges and become more competitive.

Complaining on the forums doesn't fix any issues beyond busting other people's motivation. Why don't you wrote a thread instead of this one along the lines of:

Subject: looking for people to make culling/aurabot farm

Or eventually:

Subject: looking for people to new guild oriented for group farming and early league dominance.

Or even:

Subject: looking for people for early league dominance and market domination: we provide training and help, you provide time and commitment.

Wouldn't something like that work better for the goals you want to reach?

Just a thought, no hostility.

I know that "complaining on the forums doesn't fix any issues."is ture. After all, if it actually worked, the overwhelming 350 pages of negative feedback on NOTEPATCH13 would have already prompted GGG to take action.

Precisely because of this, expressing anything to GGG on the forums is futile. That’s why I said, "Figure out what kind of player you want to be before continuing." If GGG truly listened to their players, none of this would have happened in the first place.
I’m simply saying, "You can either accept the situation and keep playing, or if you can’t, then stop playing." If people lose motivation after seeing such a situation, the problem lies with GGG, not with what I said, right?

I never said anything so impolite like, "Players who continue to play are all masochists" or anything of that sort.

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Yeah I am not spending any more money on either games until they start dealing with exploiters and cheaters properly. If they can not they need to balance the game around ssf. Sadly

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JQJQ#8553 wrote:

I know that "complaining on the forums doesn't fix any issues."is ture. After all, if it actually worked, the overwhelming 350 pages of negative feedback on NOTEPATCH13 would have already prompted GGG to take action.

Precisely because of this, expressing anything to GGG on the forums is futile. That’s why I said, "Figure out what kind of player you want to be before continuing." If GGG truly listened to their players, none of this would have happened in the first place.
I’m simply saying, "You can either accept the situation and keep playing, or if you can’t, then stop playing." If people lose motivation after seeing such a situation, the problem lies with GGG, not with what I said, right?

I never said anything so impolite like, "Players who continue to play are all masochists" or anything of that sort.

GGG is on holiday leave until the 6th. Even beyond that, it's to be expected that they will remain silent, but that doesn't mean things might actually change, and picking on a broader context:

- we don't know if they are going to do changes on streamer contracts, like no streaming of economy breaking exploits.
- we don't know if they are going to ban people, there's a lot of data to analyse
- we don't know if they take the lessons learned here for the future and never release league content that makes the core content useless

We don't know... They haven't to tell us either. I do agree that ambiguity isn't good, but at the same time, witch hunts are are not good.


This isn't a matter of binary choice, you should/shouldn't play. Solo is viable, I took 36/40 I'm 28 days and at that date was ranked on top 600 PSN ladder on Keepers, this while playing solo on a trade league that almost looks like SSF. So solo is reliable.

But still, yes, things like Gravebind do complicate things and introduce a very harsh factor against solo play. Why not instead of leaving people actually try to find people on the same situation and push together for group play and use the same strategies? That sounds more reasonable than quiting. That is my take on things... Clearly people have mastered the art of forum navigating and communication, use it in a different way to find more people with the same concerns to improve and use the same strategies.


Yes, this game can place a huge mental toll on people, the first step is being immune to it. I don't like this league also, I don't like temple, I share some of your concerns, but I do use my failures to improve for the future and that's how Ive been surviving and clearing content.

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scaeva_#9735 wrote:

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JQJQ#8553 wrote:

I know that "complaining on the forums doesn't fix any issues."is ture. After all, if it actually worked, the overwhelming 350 pages of negative feedback on NOTEPATCH13 would have already prompted GGG to take action.

Precisely because of this, expressing anything to GGG on the forums is futile. That’s why I said, "Figure out what kind of player you want to be before continuing." If GGG truly listened to their players, none of this would have happened in the first place.
I’m simply saying, "You can either accept the situation and keep playing, or if you can’t, then stop playing." If people lose motivation after seeing such a situation, the problem lies with GGG, not with what I said, right?

I never said anything so impolite like, "Players who continue to play are all masochists" or anything of that sort.

GGG is on holiday leave until the 6th. Even beyond that, it's to be expected that they will remain silent, but that doesn't mean things might actually change, and picking on a broader context:

- we don't know if they are going to do changes on streamer contracts, like no streaming of economy breaking exploits.
- we don't know if they are going to ban people, there's a lot of data to analyse
- we don't know if they take the lessons learned here for the future and never release league content that makes the core content useless

We don't know... They haven't to tell us either. I do agree that ambiguity isn't good, but at the same time, witch hunts are are not good.


This isn't a matter of binary choice, you should/shouldn't play. Solo is viable, I took 36/40 I'm 28 days and at that date was ranked on top 600 PSN ladder on Keepers, this while playing solo on a trade league that almost looks like SSF. So solo is reliable.

But still, yes, things like Gravebind do complicate things and introduce a very harsh factor against solo play. Why not instead of leaving people actually try to find people on the same situation and push together for group play and use the same strategies? That sounds more reasonable than quiting. That is my take on things... Clearly people have mastered the art of forum navigating and communication, use it in a different way to find more people with the same concerns to improve and use the same strategies.


Yes, this game can place a huge mental toll on people, the first step is being immune to it. I don't like this league also, I don't like temple, I share some of your concerns, but I do use my failures to improve for the future and that's how Ive been surviving and clearing content.

Please don't portray this as a story where users should find their own solutions to compensate for the company's product mistakes. Using failures to improve for the future is correct, and I hope so too, really. I hope they don't wait until there are only 10K players left to finally realize that there are some failures that can be improved for the league.

However, based on past experiences, this incident is merely the culmination of players accumulated dissatisfaction across multiple updates.

For instance, when the Mahuxotl's BUG occurred, what did they do? Nothing. They only punished players who weren't using Mahuxotl, and the current situation is just like history repeating itself