Why are other abusers not banned?

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MakaveliPT#7753 wrote:

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ericlee019#6307 wrote:

So disappointing, instead of punishing the criminal, u punishing people who tried to catch up,how can u this ignore [Removed by Support]? I'm so disappointed. Glad I uninstalled this trash game

Lol so basically what´s going on in your head is this:

Some guys were abusing the temple, you got mad but went on and tried to abuse it yourself, now that they mildly fixed what needed to be fixed you come here and ask for bans for people that abused something that you were trying to abuse too and somehow they are bad and you are good, is that right?

You guys are litteral children, that's literally what i would say when i was a kid and my mom was going to whoop my ass for doing stupid shit, "-But mom he did it too, it's his fault not mine." , guess what? Still got my ass whooped.

I and many others did not abuse the temple, for various reasons: some did not enjoy the mechanic, some did not want to abuse it, some for both reasons.
So yea, seeing people who abused the mechanic not only get off scot free, but keeping their giga temple whilst suffering a minor nerf does feel like a reward for abusing or exploiting certain "features".

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Hapciu#2753 wrote:

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SilverWF#6383 wrote:

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Hapciu#2753 wrote:

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it would be an exploit when GGG would said that

they didn't yet

so no reasons to ban anyone

So if it is not an exploit, why did they patch the Holten mechanic and subsequently nerf the temple?

I said it in a previous reply but I will say it here to, people have 2 different understandings of what exploit mean:

1. Your version: Everything including using of bugs/cheats/software OR unintended mechanics that were simply missed by the developer and lead to some kind of advantage is an exploit. By your terms even the reset of the checkpoint in the first zone to get some gold and buy an item from town is exploit

2. My version, Exploit is using bugs/cheats/malicious software or similar to gain advantage and is 100% bannable.

The loose version of the exploit has inside it too many meanings and variables. It includes both issues that should be banned, and cases where its not bannable, because it doesn't affect the players in that much of a negative way, or is just a mechanic thats in the game but proves to be too rewarding.

I have a problem with the terminology. I want Exploit to mean malicious abuse of something that leads to a ban 100% of the time.

I don't want people banned for that, it doesn't make sense. Its how it was intended to be used.

The biggest problem is not that it was so easy to reset and build, it was the fact that nobody when developing thought its a good idea to hard cap the bonusses... What kind of overlook is this.

You can't even name people who actively abused mechanics and ruined other's experience. You get banned for that here and they mask it under "personal attack or cause harm to reputation". Tells you a lot.

GGG wants silence so im gonna vote with my wallet.

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aCB453Om25#0400 wrote:

it would be an exploit when GGG would said that

they didn't yet

so no reasons to ban anyone

So if it is not an exploit, why did they patch the Holten mechanic and subsequently nerf the temple?
I said it in a previous reply but I will say it here to, people have 2 different understandings of what exploit mean:

1. Your version: Everything including using of bugs/cheats/software OR unintended mechanics that were simply missed by the developer and lead to some kind of advantage is an exploit. By your terms even the reset of the checkpoint in the first zone to get some gold and buy an item from town is exploit

2. My version, Exploit is using bugs/cheats/malicious software or similar to gain advantage and is 100% bannable.

The loose version of the exploit has inside it too many meanings and variables. It includes both issues that should be banned, and cases where its not bannable, because it doesn't affect the players in that much of a negative way, or is just a mechanic thats in the game but proves to be too rewarding.

I have a problem with the terminology. I want Exploit to mean malicious abuse of something that leads to a ban 100% of the time.

I don't want people banned for that, it doesn't make sense. Its how it was intended to be used.

The biggest problem is not that it was so easy to reset and build, it was the fact that nobody when developing thought its a good idea to hard cap the bonusses... What kind of overlook is this.

i hate to be the bearer of bad news.

but an exploit is not an opinion or point of view

it is officially defined as abusing a game mechaninc in an unintended way to gain an unfair advantage over others.

this is what the definiton of an exploit actually is, and your opinion on the subjecti is irrelevant because its not up to you to re-define a word.

re-setting an instance is not an exploit, because it is a mechanic within the game.

holten was an exploit because it was never intended to be able to get temples built up so quickly via that method.

resetting the tutorial zone is not an exploit because it does not give any unfair advantage over others nor is it an unintended mechanic, they give us the option to reset instances because its allowed.

they never intended for holten to be used as a shortcut, this was an unintended mechanic caused by the league.... therefore that was an exploit.

as someone in global 2 once said

if you don't watch streamers, you will actually be happy playing poe2

i have a buddy who watches fubgun, ruetoo and others
every fucking day he complains about the game like a child
everyone underestimates how much power they have influencing people through sheer repetition of their opinions

meanwhile i am clearing all pinnacle T3 bosses without doing these exploits, i don't need a fucking mirror or lock to clear the game

let us be real: the only who truly cares about temple exploits for "big drops" are RMTers
and yes, i believe some streamers are part of that

now that the secret is out, every other casual or noob that cannot make an exploitable temple in time is complaining because of FOMO

so...stop watching streamers, at least for a while

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I said it in a previous reply but I will say it here to, people have 2 different understandings of what exploit mean:

1. Your version: Everything including using of bugs/cheats/software OR unintended mechanics that were simply missed by the developer and lead to some kind of advantage is an exploit. By your terms even the reset of the checkpoint in the first zone to get some gold and buy an item from town is exploit

2. My version, Exploit is using bugs/cheats/malicious software or similar to gain advantage and is 100% bannable.

The loose version of the exploit has inside it too many meanings and variables. It includes both issues that should be banned, and cases where its not bannable, because it doesn't affect the players in that much of a negative way, or is just a mechanic thats in the game but proves to be too rewarding.

I have a problem with the terminology. I want Exploit to mean malicious abuse of something that leads to a ban 100% of the time.

I don't want people banned for that, it doesn't make sense. Its how it was intended to be used.

The biggest problem is not that it was so easy to reset and build, it was the fact that nobody when developing thought its a good idea to hard cap the bonusses... What kind of overlook is this.

You say tomato, I say tomato.
Bottom line is facts do not change, regardless what you choose to call those "features".

OP uninstalled after they made a min/max 96 varashtra character.


Not sure the threat of uninstalling is going to mean much with that

It's not an exploit.

Why people keep arguing.

The temple core mechanics is:
You get crystals to get in. You put cards on a board to navigate in a moving temple. Temple destabilize after each run.

You have cards (rooms) that interact with each other, boosting the temple loot but also difficulty. You have medallions to adjust the cards you are given before each run and on the board.

Running a snake is not an exploit, there are nothing shady. Nothing is misused or done with bad intent.

You run a snake because it's the most efficient way to farm currencies.

What it is revealing is that PoE2 is lacking a real end game feature, pushing all players to get the most out of the league mechanics.

In 0.4, you boosted the pits to get map full of rare and farm it.
Here, you boost the room and find ways to keep it living with the tools provided by the game...

The simple answer was just to keep this out of the hotfix 13:

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"Added a Diminishing Returns to the Modifier Values applied by Rooms. This doesn't kick in unless you have four or more of a given room type placed. This change will have a minor impact on average Temple setups, if at all, but have a relatively high impact on top-end Temples. These Temples were causing drastic server performance problems, and in often cases crashing. If you have enough rooms placed to engage the diminishing returns, it will apply to lower tier rooms first, making sure that your higher tier rooms benefit the Temple as much as they can."

All the rest is just unjustified, unjust and extreme, killing the league for those who did not get their temple stacked with T3 rooms (like the vast majority of the player base).

What is surprising is that GGG is doing free weekends. Showing they want players to get into the game but preventing them to actually enjoy it once they are in.

There are so much to do in the game that dev effort for such a correction is dumb.

And in the end who cares? Streamers showcased a snake strat players discovered to optimize the league. This league will be done in 3 months. All is scrapped for the new league. Everybody was jumping on the train to have fun building a big ass temple.

What's the hurt in letting everyone do it anyway?

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ericlee019#6307 wrote:

So disappointing, instead of punishing the criminal, u punishing people who tried to catch up,how can u this ignore [Removed by Support]? I'm so disappointed. Glad I uninstalled this trash game

Fully agree! You let the exploiters destroy the whole market and the experience for all the others playersx and now you still punish the rest of us, letting exploiters keep their buffed temples and not allowing more to build theirs. Bye ggg

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Barbizarre#4922 wrote:

It's not an exploit.

It is. Just like the ritual thing was an exploit and people got banned then. Call it whatever you want if that makes you feel better for using it yourself.