The skill design philosophy of PoE2 is the same as Diablo 4. And it sucks.

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CyberData4#5867 wrote:

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Alzucard#2422 wrote:

Considering it has Path of Exile in its game title. I think that would be a valid request. I dont know POE1 so i have no idea how they differ from each other.

I can see tho that there are some possible issues if you limit interactions between skills a lot.

So you don't know how they differ, gotcha.

So again, how are skills limited in terms of building into a skill in a variety of different ways? The weapon requirement? The stat requirement?

The post says nothing besides "skills bad!".

I've done nothing but experiment and iterate with skills and I've never used a build guide. Never needed to. I'm able to figure it out on my own.

Hell, they made weapon swapping as painless as possible. Removed the delay, provide separate weapon set passive points to remove friction.

And considering both games are in active development, no, this game should not be a carbon copy of the first one. Go play that if that's what you want.

But nobody wants a copy of POE1. Nobody even said that here.

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Kashou#2868 wrote:

Yep. I don't mind combos or interactions but stuff like "arc does 200% more damage with infusion" just makes me not want to play arc at all. Skills should work on their own baseline and be good. They shouldn't be total dogshit and some interaction makes up 300% of the damage. A combo should at most be the equivalent of another support gem.

Thats a big problem right now with POE2.

Lets take Volatility for example. Its a completely bad mechanic that only works with a single ascendancy thats even bad.

Infusions are decent if you fight bosses, but in mapping they are completely useless. Furthermore why in the world cant they make it more universal. This infusions gives these buffs to a skill, this infusion gives that buff to a skill etc.

The game has zero balance anyway why try to make it more balanced by limiting what interaction can work with what skill. If something is completely out of line you can still fix it later on.

Path of exile is primarily a singleplayer game with multiplayer trade. You dont have to micromanage that much skill interactions.

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CyberData4#5867 wrote:

What do you mean? Try NOT following a build guide maybe? All I do is try skills out and change up the gems to see how best to fit it into my build.

Saying it's the same as D4's static skills are factually untrue. I can build an attack into bleed, or poison, or armour break.

I absolutely love the skill system in this game. And keep in mind: It's not even released yet. You're playing a beta. It's a foundation to build upon and expand. Not a final destination.

Sounds like you just want it to be exactly like POE1? That's the only thing that makes sense to me from your post.

Its not untrue at all. They've clearly designed skills to largely be on rails due to the "Combo" playstyle they're trying to force into every playstyle.

For example, when people found out in 0.1.0 how to get trigger builds to function using meta gems, they completely mid-league gutted meta skill gem triggers mechanically. I remember going to bed after having played my CoC comet char all day to waking up the next day to a character which was no longer playable at all.

When people figured out how to make fuel-based incinerate permanent, they completely mechanically reworked and gutted incinerate so that that was no longer possible/effective. Which is absolutely wild, because incinerate has awful clear and was only really good for bossing - and despite the fact that it saw pretty much no play in 0.3.0

They're pre-nerf everything that looks like its going to be fun/interesting and do their best to shove this combo playstyle between two or three+ abilities down peoples throats.

Find an interesting mechanic/item combination that allows you to make a previously unused ability good? Blasted out of the game if it wasn't the "vision"

yes, they already started doing it in 0.1.
DE+Contagion is perfect example.
"Command skills" for minions is also great example.
LA+Lightning rods is another (at least you dont need exactly LA, its just best option).
And then infusions added.
And now water your plants / use all premade combos as wolf etc.

Still, there are some borderline OK interactions like fissures*warcries*slams living in their own archetype chambers. But at least they are not tied to 2-3 exact skills.

There are few good interactions like shattering walls/exploding gas clouds which can work all across the tree, for almost any class.

But the tendency is worrying.

PS: Same as putting ascendancy-exclusive skills into ascendancy classes. Premade builds. Not fun at all.
Ascendancies themselves already a big step back from modular builds, yet people like big bonuses (zoomzoom) and will fight for bigger numbers over better gameplay.

Love the new plant skills which require a support to become powerful and are not powerful from the get go. 10+ skill design

It's the weapons. Not classes.

Because skills are linked to one specific weapon each you have to weapon swap and that's not always an option due to very high stat requirements. The weapons swap system is mostly a failure so the rest falls apart. Infusions added a huge hurdle to elemental skills. Minions and Companions are split just to hinder interactions. You pick Wolf, Bear or Wyvern. Not more than one.

They act like we can swap weapons to come up with different options but all options are presets.

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Rainbowvomit#4965 wrote:

You're not allowed to experiment and figure out things for your self in PoE2.

The devs have designed the skills and you will use them the way they intended. No experimentation allowed. No allowed trying to figure out your own combos, etc.

Each class is designed with a set of skills and those skills will be used with those classes and weapons.

Why is the game going this direction when PoE is right there? You know what to do, why do the exact opposite?

sofar im not enjoying poe2 at all, i would rather play poe1 its lightyears ahead of poe2 in every way