Combat Frenzy fix broke Tempest Bell

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Jatin_GGG wrote:

This is intended behaviour, Tempest Bell is not your enemy and Combat Frenzy only grants Charges when applying a specific ailment to enemies.

How can this behaviour be intended?

The tempest bell is supposed to be attackable "like an enemy". That's the selling point of the skill.

It means that "Echoing Frost", "Echoing Flames" and "Echoing Thunder" in the skill tree should also not interact with the bell.

I don't remember the exact words of the devs when PoE2 opened up early access, but I remember them talking about Tempest Bell as an object you can attack like an enemy with all the proccing advantages that implied.

You really mean to tell me that such a massive balance change was tested and then not put in the patch notes? I find that very difficult to believe.

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okocza91#7516 wrote:

@Jatin_GGG please nooooo, this brakes so many builds. There is no other way to generate charges in rational time during boss fights :.c

So it's not just me, then.

I guess the devs want invokers to use ice-strike crit builds only?

Really? Taking out the charges generation? Please at least when tempest bell aoe freezes or electrecutes an enemy needs to generate charges. It's impossible to do bosses solely on high crit ( this is very late game...which is quite harder to reach...)

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Jatin_GGG wrote:

This is intended behaviour, Tempest Bell is not your enemy and Combat Frenzy only grants Charges when applying a specific ailment to enemies.

I kindly ask you to reconsider this approach. Tempest Bell is attackable, it is its selling point, and the synergy with Combat Frenzy was something that was working from 0.1 till 0.3.0c.

I'd suggest doing such a change during league update, as it is a massive nerf to ice strike monk builds for single target dmg, and wouldn't it be cleaner for you to mark attackable objects as enemies anyway?

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Jatin_GGG wrote:

This is intended behaviour, Tempest Bell is not your enemy and Combat Frenzy only grants Charges when applying a specific ailment to enemies.

Do you know if the Ice Bite support gem is working as intended or should the text change then as it also mentions "Attacks Gain 25% of Damage as Cold Damage for 5 seconds on Freezing an enemy with Supported Skills"?

Freezing the tempest bell does activate the buff from Ice Bite currently.

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Kusio#1376 wrote:

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Jatin_GGG wrote:

This is intended behaviour, Tempest Bell is not your enemy and Combat Frenzy only grants Charges when applying a specific ailment to enemies.

I kindly ask you to reconsider this approach. Tempest Bell is attackable, it is its selling point, and the synergy with Combat Frenzy was something that was working from 0.1 till 0.3.0c.

I'd suggest doing such a change during league update, as it is a massive nerf to ice strike monk builds for single target dmg, and wouldn't it be cleaner for you to mark attackable objects as enemies anyway?

I wasn't familiar with the ice strike mechanics. I thought maybe they weren't impacted by this.

I guess I was wrong.

So basically monk/staff has been curb stomped entirely by this change?

Please Fix this. It kills bossing.

Let me rant. This change without any mentions in the Patch Notes together with the comment makes it obvious it was not intendent. Seems hard to fix so it became intendent because it's just simpler.

So it's just removes bell from the game entirely since it was remotely good only for bossing anyway.

Translation: "pls play Acolyte of Chayula"

So I logged in after dropping the game for a couple of months to wait for the fix and it is STILL does not generate charges even if you freeze the boss with the Ice Strike. It was reported in numerous threads including this one.

So technically it is not possible to generate charges in a boss fight if you play Ice Strike + Combat Frenzy, even without the bell.

Invoker outperforms Chayla before and after this adjustment. Don't use it as a scapegoat. The Bell isn't an enemy, ergo applying ailment to the bell shouldn't proc frenzy.