Evasion scaling seems off

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HowToGusta#6151 wrote:

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

Seems fine to me. Remember, Evasion now has Acrobatic which used to reduce evasion rating by a lot.

Sorry I don’t have access to the tree. You mean evasion can evade all hits intrinsically? Or is there a keystone update somewhere?

Yes Evasion can now evade all hits without the need of Acrobatics. They removed this Keystone entirely. They changed the evasion formula because of that, but I don't know the exact impact of the change. It doesn't seem to be as bad as Acrobatics was tho. (Acro had 75% less Evasion rating)

Either way, if u're getting to 70%+ evasion now u'll feel quite tanky, especially with high deflection.

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

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RefleX666#0250 wrote:

Deflect can't be your second layer as you can not reach 100% in the current state.

I'd love to see some data that backs this claim up. My current planned tree has already 90% of evasion rating as deflect rating without any gear. It shouldn't be too hard to get 150%. If we assume 20k evasion, that would be 30k deflection rating. Dunno if it's 100%, but it's definitely up there. Maybe u need like 25-30k evasion rating to actually get 100% deflect, but it shouldn't be impossible.

Did you see the deflection formula? That's all you need to know. Please tell me how you are going to get 100% deflection? It's literally impossible. You get massive diminishing returns so even at 30k you will not be at 100%. Considering a accuracy of 3000 but even on lower accuracy with blind you won't get there.

I just don't see the point currently to invest so much affixes and passives to get a high deflect chance with only 1500 hitpoints as 2nd defensive layer (besides obviously resistances) to get one shot when your evasion and deflect fail. With just some investment you get 1500 to 2000 ES besides the 75% evasion and 50+% deflect.

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RefleX666#0250 wrote:

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

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RefleX666#0250 wrote:

Deflect can't be your second layer as you can not reach 100% in the current state.

I'd love to see some data that backs this claim up. My current planned tree has already 90% of evasion rating as deflect rating without any gear. It shouldn't be too hard to get 150%. If we assume 20k evasion, that would be 30k deflection rating. Dunno if it's 100%, but it's definitely up there. Maybe u need like 25-30k evasion rating to actually get 100% deflect, but it shouldn't be impossible.

Did you see the deflection formula? That's all you need to know. Please tell me how you are going to get 100% deflection? It's literally impossible. You get massive diminishing returns so even at 30k you will not be at 100%. Considering a accuracy of 3000 but even on lower accuracy with blind you won't get there.

I just looked it up and it doesn't look very promising, I give u that. Where do u get the 3000 monster accuracy from? Couldn't find it on the wiki. Also does distance based "less accuracy" also affect monsters or just player accuracy?

Srry just looked it up, 3000 is something I always use in my mind as pinnacle numbers from PoE1. In PoE2 its around 2000 at level 81/84. Anyway even then you just won't hit 100% deflection. It's not worth it in my opinion without a flat %deflection source somewhere. I mean it looks nice to get a massive amount of evasion and when you don't evade you just take reduced dmg but the implementation needs some tweaking before I remove my ES.

Posting this here if people are interested. According to reddit a lvl 79 monster has 1500 accuracy, the graph is based off 1600 acc.

Seems pretty hard to get more than 80-85% chance to deflect and 100% is literally impossible.

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

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HowToGusta#6151 wrote:

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

Seems fine to me. Remember, Evasion now has Acrobatic which used to reduce evasion rating by a lot.

Sorry I don’t have access to the tree. You mean evasion can evade all hits intrinsically? Or is there a keystone update somewhere?

Yes Evasion can now evade all hits without the need of Acrobatics. They removed this Keystone entirely. They changed the evasion formula because of that, but I don't know the exact impact of the change. It doesn't seem to be as bad as Acrobatics was tho. (Acro had 75% less Evasion rating)

Either way, if u're getting to 70%+ evasion now u'll feel quite tanky, especially with high deflection.

Evasion cannot dodge every attack there are multiple attacks that are unavoidable which you still take damage from if you do not roll or move out of the way. There are even more attacks that are unavoidable now after the patch. Evasion scaling seems fine to me but the monk ascendancy node Protect me from Harm seems a bit aggressive for what it provides, losing 50% evasion rating for some armor and armor not reducing elemental damage without affixes on gear seems to be a bit detrimental now that I'm getting farther into the game. Might skip out on it entirely and just take Grace and the Thunder node instead. If it was 30% reduction I would consider taking the node but I doubt the devs actually read these forums.

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

According to reddit a lvl 79 monster has 1500 accuracy, the graph is based off 1600 acc.

That's not correct according to PoE2.db a monster at level 79 has 1798 accuracy.

Yeah I think it's not balanced well. For some reason, the dev seem to think we don't need life. Instead they gave us something like armor. So all high in build go energy shield. I was hop the passive that give life for Dex would be good, but it's trash.

So I logged back in yesterday and equipped 700+ evasion boots, gloves, helmet, 1.2k evasion body armour, evasion on necklace and pretty much every worthwhile node of pure evasion % on tree. I had about 20k evasion rating - roughly 68% evade chance. What? Even if I had a 2k+ body armour equipped how the hell am I supposed to get anywhere near 80% evade chance? From what I can tell, it is currently not possible to reach anywhere near cap let alone 80% without full investment into evasion on the tree. There may be some additional ways to gain evade chance like with blind, but, right now, raw evasion scaling is definitely nerfed.

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