Evasion scaling seems off

My chance to evade is at 59% with wind dancer in tier 15 maps. I have about (will edit if slightly off when I get home) about 13k evasion rating. With the current diminishing returns, I don’t think it’s possible to reach anywhere near evasion cap. I’ve invested heavily into evasion on the tree. I haven’t yet got any evasion jewels. There definitely is room to improve on my gear, no questions there, just seems like with BiS gear it won’t get close to cap.

Can anyone who has checked the numbers confirm what sort of gear we’d need to be over 80-85% evade chance and % increase from let’s say the tree.

I’ll look into this a bit more when I get home, just wanted to hear what other people have found.

I just started mapping and noticed this already as well. I can tell that the amount of evasion if you want to get to ~80% will be absurd but I haven't calculated it out.

I'm actually seeing this reflected in people's builds currently, where they are bypassing significant evasion passives because they realized the diminishing returns are so high that it becomes no longer worth taking.

It looks like they want people to get stopped around 60% evasion and focus more on deflection or other mitigation.

That’s interesting. Though chance to deflect is quite difficult to push high too. So not only do you need high evasion rating on gear, spec into evasion as well as deflect on tree, you also need deflect on every gear piece for it to be reliable.

Hmm, I hope GGG looks into this soon.

I haven't invested heavily (can still min-max) yet I have around 75% evasion and a bit above 50% deflect paired with around 2k ES. I don't think the formula is off considering it's with acrobatics.

The only thing you can say is that it still requires you to pair it with ES. But that's because it's impossible to get 100% deflect. They boosted evasion/es basically by adding some deflect.

Your evasion number seems really low for someone who invested in it. 20k+ should be easy to get. Why would you aim for evasion cap when you can still fail and die without a 2nd layer? Just get as high as possible with ES and unlucky hits against you node.

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RefleX666#0250 wrote:

I haven't invested heavily (can still min-max) yet I have around 75% evasion and a bit above 50% deflect paired with around 2k ES. I don't think the formula is off considering it's with acrobatics.

The only thing you can say is that it still requires you to pair it with ES. But that's because it's impossible to get 100% deflect. They boosted evasion/es basically by adding some deflect.

Your evasion number seems really low for someone who invested in it. 20k+ should be easy to get. Why would you aim for evasion cap when you can still fail and die without a 2nd layer? Just get as high as possible with ES and unlucky hits against you node.

Fair enough. I’ll have to double check, can’t remember evasion rating, that might be my deflect rating.
I’m stacking high evasion to try to max out deflect which is the second layer basically. I understand hybrid is superior but I don’t want to bother going evasion / es nodes on tree until late game when I’m able to find good enough gear.

Deflect can't be your second layer as you can not reach 100% in the current state. That means you will every now and then not evade and not deflect while not having the hitpoints to tank it. You can however reach 75% evasion or higher with a total of 4k hitpoints while still having a decent chance to deflect. Full evasion is bait imo in the current state.

I went Evasion + ES at the start of maps where subterfuge mask and a good ES helmet + %ES on amulet is already enough for +1.5k ES. Just make sure you get a high Evasion chest (1500 to 2000) and decent evasion boots and gloves to get 20k+ evasion. As you are invested in evasion I am pretty sure you only need a good ES helmet.

Seems fine to me. Remember, Evasion now has Acrobatic which used to reduce evasion rating by a lot.

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RefleX666#0250 wrote:

Deflect can't be your second layer as you can not reach 100% in the current state.

I'd love to see some data that backs this claim up. My current planned tree has already 90% of evasion rating as deflect rating without any gear. It shouldn't be too hard to get 150%. If we assume 20k evasion, that would be 30k deflection rating. Dunno if it's 100%, but it's definitely up there. Maybe u need like 25-30k evasion rating to actually get 100% deflect, but it shouldn't be impossible.

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Warrax#2850 wrote:

Seems fine to me. Remember, Evasion now has Acrobatic which used to reduce evasion rating by a lot.

Sorry I don’t have access to the tree. You mean evasion can evade all hits intrinsically? Or is there a keystone update somewhere?

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Sadaukar#2191 wrote:

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RefleX666#0250 wrote:

Deflect can't be your second layer as you can not reach 100% in the current state.

I'd love to see some data that backs this claim up. My current planned tree has already 90% of evasion rating as deflect rating without any gear. It shouldn't be too hard to get 150%. If we assume 20k evasion, that would be 30k deflection rating. Dunno if it's 100%, but it's definitely up there. Maybe u need like 25-30k evasion rating to actually get 100% deflect, but it shouldn't be impossible.

I’m very curious about this too. It doesn’t seem easy to do but I’ve only just started gearing up for mid-endgame. Will have to see once I progress or someone does the math.