The Inflation is faster than my grind..

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

This doesn't make any sense. If you are playing for a month you'd have established strong characters and farming patterns that will net you more currency than if you are playing during the first week. I am not talking about people who rush content or play in a group, but normal folk who spend time with this game would have stronger characters and in general farm more. For example, someone might not be able to farm T17 on week 1 but be able to do so comfortably now.

Plus there is the hoarding. Grand eldritch embers used to cost 5c, now they doubled in price. So it's not like getting your paws on something as fast as possible would always give you more currency.

Again....wrong. You cannot separate the two, because the MARKET doesn't obey how YOU personally play.

While you might have a more established character and farming strategy at week 4, that doesn't mean no one else did it earlier than you. And your divine drop NOW is worth 1/10 or probably even less of what it MIGHT have been worth in week 1. And again, you can't sell anything which is where the REAL currency making happens. So what if Grand Embers doubled in price now, 10c in Week 4 is the buying power equivalent of 1C or less in week 1. THAT is why the price doubled, because while the item remains useful its actual buying power significantly decreased.

Again.....this is basic inflation.

You are crazy. I don't know how else to describe the things you are saying. You are not even playing this league so you obviously have no clue how the economy is going. Currency ratio has been pretty consistent for weeks. The price of divines has been stable and so is the price of other important currency items except for things like fusings and chromatic orbs which will fall down eventually. Scouring orbs, chisels, exalts, vaals (going up actually) and their ratios have remained consistent.

Funny thing is, older mirror items which are being replaced by newer ones are being sold for way less than a mirror, so right now players have access to items which costed mirror+ during the earlier league and now are sold for 200-300 divines

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

You are crazy. I don't know how else to describe the things you are saying. You are not even playing this league so you obviously have no clue how the economy is going. Currency ratio has been pretty consistent for weeks. The price of divines has been stable and so is the price of other important currency items except for things like fusings and chromatic orbs which will fall down eventually. Scouring orbs, chisels, exalts, vaals (going up actually) and their ratios have remained consistent.

Funny thing is, older mirror items which are being replaced by newer ones are being sold for way less than a mirror, so right now players have access to items which costed mirror+ at one point and now are sold for 200-300 divines

First of all, I play on a different account and I am very much playing this league and aware of the market.

You clearly do not understand inflation and buying power, and there is no possible way I'll be able to teach you anything here as you seem dead set that you are right.

Suffice to say, everything that you have said is just straight up not how the economy works at all. In fact, you used an example that proves everything I said....and erases everything you said.

"Items which cost a mirror+ a few weeks ago are now sold for 200-300 divines" - YES EXACTLY lol. The items you COULD have sold 4 weeks ago at a way higher price, are no longer worth even a fraction of what they used to be. The demand isn't there anymore. And furthermore, YOUR demand for that item is likely non-existent. How many players who have been playing for 4 weeks straight are looking to buy a tabula...again? Less money in. Comparably, the items you might desire are worth twice as much (or a LOT more in some cases) now. And the best farming strategy that you are only NOW able to employ yields far less value because 1) you cannot sell the same amount of items, at the same value, as you could have 4 weeks ago and 2) the items you intend to buy are twice as expensive.

The raw currency values may be "stable" (i said earlier, drop rates do not change), as you put it, but their BUYING POWER is significantly reduced. A dollar bill will always be worth 100 pennies, but those pennies in the 1920s could have bought you a movie ticket. In 2025, those pennies are worth what, exactly?


I'm just going to say: it is simply NOT TRUE that it is easier for anyone to farm now than if they were farming the same way earlier in the league. That is just straight up false, in every sense of what "farming" yields for the player. Value of the farming strategy is down. Costs of the items you are using the farming strategy to buy are way up. Value of raw currency is way down. Etc.

Best example of this is to just look at standard. While raw currency rates remain "stable", the items that you might use that currency to buy are astronomically, out of this world, more expensive to buy. Your farming, if it were done in a temporal environment like standard, is basically insignificant: you won't ever be able to buy the same item you'd be able to buy had it been "earlier" in its existence.

I think you are confusing more than one thing together here:

1) The "easiness" of farming and value

vs.

2) Being able to buy the items you want


These are not the same thing: farming and value is at its peak the earlier in the league it happens. Always, without fail.

BUT

Obviously....the more time you play, the more wealth you accrue, and the more/better items you can buy. This isn't necessarily a function of your farming becoming easier, but rather your TIME SPENT naturally yielded more. Not every single item is going to continuously rise in value so you will EVENTUALLY be able to buy the item you want, but the longer you take to establish yourself the longer overall the farming is going to take you.


Your posts ignore the very real fact that, had you done everything you do now SOONER, you would yield far more value overall. Retirement savings is all about this fact. Investments are all about this fact. Etc.

Although I have not read everything he wrote, I believe this is what he argues about - the price of things goes down every day. For example, 1c on day one is 0.0001 right now. Of course, this is pure BS. Right now, assuming you want to make a decent character, you can spend less on gear than you had to during week one. That's a fact. Just like how there are certain things which constantly increase in price, like mirrors, there are things that go down to the point of being extremely cheap. So, depending on what you need, using 100c right now will buy you more than using them on day 4.

Now now settle down kids. You argue over pixel wealth. Do you all know what i do with muh mirrurs at the end of the league? I let them rot in muh stash in GLORIOUS STANDARD.

If you are unwilling to spend 2 minutes to read 4 paragraphs, you are also unwilling to learn. So be it.

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

Right now, assuming you want to make a decent character, you can spend less on gear than you had to during week one. That's a fact. Just like how there are certain things which constantly increase in price, like mirrors, there are things that go down to the point of being extremely cheap. So, depending on what you need, using 100c right now will buy you more than using them on day 4.

If you are starting purely from ZERO right now, low to mid-low end is much cheaper yes. Throwaway uniques, cheap 6Ls, etc all fall in price. But as you yourself stated: that wasn't what you were talking about. You were talking about an established character that has been playing regularly for 4 weeks. An established character is not buying a tabula rasa or a goldrim 4 weeks into the league, they are well beyond that level of gearing. And again, you miss the fact that while certain things (like tabula) were more expensive to BUY earlier in the league, they were also more valuable to sell. But that doesn't jive with your argument, so you completely ignore it.

You keep changing everything you say to try and fit it in your argument.

You had two points you made:
1) More people play now than they did at the start, so its easier to get items. This is just factually incorrect. There are significantly less players now, but there are more items simply because more time has gone by. That's an entirely different argument that you haven't ever made.

2) Farming now is more profitable than farming in the first week. This is also factually incorrect for all the reasons I pointed out.

To defend these points you made, you used the example of a Mageblood stating it is cheaper now and easier to get because you farm more currency. Both of these statements are easily proven false: a mageblood has more than doubled in price since week one, and drop rates do not change from week 1 to week 4 for farming. While some items in your farming strategy may have kept up with inflation, there is a ton more that is only worth a fraction of what it was in week 1, thus the NET gain is lower now. So mageblood is more expensive now, AND you get less profit from the same farming.

Literally anyone who has actually set up a good trade system and dump tabs would tell you the same, this argument you seem to be making is so wrong that I don't think I've ever heard anyone else even start to claim the things you are trying to claim because its so easily proven false.

Go ahead and keep changing your argument around and rewriting your own ideas, it won't ever make your points correct.

People can't pay as much in the beginning than they can right now so certain items of the type you ultimatly want are more expensive now than they are early and certain items that are placeholder anyway are dirt cheap now and more expensive on day 2-3. That just eh way it is...

Ok, but just imaging that amulet op means, it looks like op is more like complaining about mirror fees being to high or sth, lmao

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

People can't pay as much in the beginning than they can right now so certain items of the type you ultimatly want are more expensive now than they are early and certain items that are placeholder anyway are dirt cheap now and more expensive on day 2-3. That just eh way it is...

yes, exactly. The whole point is that, without the head start of playing and farming as early as possible (and selling far less rare items for far more money), you are ultimately in for a HARDER road ahead building a character starting NOW. What the other guy continues to fail to take into account is selling items, he is only focusing on buying items and only mid-tier items and below.....which is not how you look at the strength of an economy or the power of farming and currency value.

1. If you start from scratch now, you have a much faster liftoff but an exponentially longer climb.

2. If you have been casually playing the entire time, you no longer need the cheap items and its pointless to use those as a defense of your "farming strategy being more valuable now".

3. If you start at the beginning of the league, you have a much SLOWER liftoff but if you can overcome that then you have an exponentially shorter climb to the top.

The key here is that....drop rates do NOT change, and supply continues to increase no matter what. No matter how YOU personally interact with the game, all this still happens. So being able to maximize profits from non-mirror, hardly rare items in the beginning gives you an exponential farming edge over someone now. Everything that drops now, except the most rare items, have devalued considerably. So unless you get consistently lucky, your farming is devalued as well with far less to sell at value.

Meanwhile, the most desirable items for nearly every build from people who have been playing this entire time.....are WAY up in cost. Cluster jewels are up five- or even ten-fold since the beginning of the league. Popular scarabs are up two-fold or more. Maps are up. Fragments are up. Chase uniques are way up. Etc.

This has always been true, and is the reason why thousands more players attempt to race in the beginning of the league. Not just for bragging rights, but to establish themselves as quickly as possible to benefit the most from the economy being in its most "vulnerable" but also most valuable state. Before everything continuously loses value due to natural inflation brought about by endless supply increases.

It really isn't hard to understand...