Whats the point of so many defensive layers..

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GatoPreto1718#7829 wrote:

That's what's make this game so awesome to me
Options.

You don't need to cap them, you can choose what fits better on your build

Except as soon as you alch an originator map (or god forbid a t17) they are no longer options, they are ALL mandatory. Or at the very least you're forced to stack 2/3 of all of them, cus you'll still get oneshot in maps you'd be fine before those existed. And yeah, it's a higher level of difficulty, but there's a middleground, and stacking all defenses after you're already on the mageblood level isn't fun, it's homogeneous.

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Seystuff#5465 wrote:

Except as soon as you alch an originator map (or god forbid a t17) they are no longer options, they are ALL mandatory. Or at the very least you're forced to stack 2/3 of all of them, cus you'll still get oneshot in maps you'd be fine before those existed. And yeah, it's a higher level of difficulty, but there's a middleground, and stacking all defenses after you're already on the mageblood level isn't fun, it's homogeneous.

This is untrue. ES on block coupled with a 11k es pool and totem taunt is more than enough to get my Herio through any T-17 that doesn't directly mess with those defensive layers.

T-16.5's are even more reasonable, since you don't have a super-boss waiting for you at the end. There are probably 20 serious defensive layers in this game, getting mileage out of more than 3 or 4 is just not even possible. I'm not even getting into the more arcane ones like minion knockback/taunt or shifting your damage taken to proxies/pets.

I feel you're being a bit hyperbolic.

to op, to keep things interesting when you try a new char.

and yes sometimes it s overwhelming

There's no point in a character using every form of defense. You would typically not use a character with Armor + ES + Evasion. Just pick a reasonable combination.

Also, there's no good way to make a single character that has good defenses against absolutely everything. Instead, make multiple characters specializing in different things.

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

There's no point in a character using every form of defense. You would typically not use a character with Armor + ES + Evasion. Just pick a reasonable combination.

Also, there's no good way to make a single character that has good defenses against absolutely everything. Instead, make multiple characters specializing in different things.

I think you didn´t meet Trickster yet.

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

Instead, make multiple characters specializing in different things.

This will be a valid response when GGG allows players to skip acts after going through it the first time in a league. Until then, it's too much of a tedious slog to get through just to solve a problem of the game being so rippy that you need multiple redundant defenses.

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

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GregoryAdams#7051 wrote:

Instead, make multiple characters specializing in different things.

This will be a valid response when GGG allows players to skip acts after going through it the first time in a league. Until then, it's too much of a tedious slog to get through just to solve a problem of the game being so rippy that you need multiple redundant defenses.

O.o How long does it take you to go through the campaign?

On your second character, you should have trials unlocked, currency in your stash, quicksilver flasks, maybe some leveling uniques...

If it's still a "slog", maybe practice running the campaign a bit more.