Why was Ignite nerfed?

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Baharoth15#0429 wrote:

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Senju_Hyoketsu#6098 wrote:

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SunL4D2#6224 wrote:

Elementalist no longer has 25% more ignite damage getting rare modifier that converts enemies physical damage to fire (only other source is on the unique belt). One of the most bewildering changes imo.

Bewildering being an understatement.

Aren't you the one asking for a complete meta wipe and for everything be turned on it's head? This is part of it you know. Doing something like that doesn't just hit stuff you dislike.

Is that a serious comment ?

You know ignite is trash already right (I mean compared to other things) ? You know DoT cap right ? You know the required amount of investment required to reach DoT cap ? With similar investment I can reach 200M dps with other skills.

So when you compare to other skills and archetypes, why should Ignite be made worse ? Ofc I'm asking for meta changes, but not nerfing already weak skills/archetypes...

They could have added the new defensive line to the already existing Shaper of Flames, AND STILL it would have been weaker than 50% of other shit in the game... rofl...

Well actually not funny.

Your response shows why exactly it needed to be gone.
You treat change to Elementalist as nerf to Ignite. Why? Because you wouldnt even think about playing Ignite on something else than Elementalist. THey want to get rid such things. THey dont want you to think that there is only one option to play certain archetype.

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Aynix#7757 wrote:

Your response shows why exactly it needed to be gone.
You treat change to Elementalist as nerf to Ignite. Why? Because you wouldnt even think about playing Ignite on something else than Elementalist. THey want to get rid such things. THey dont want you to think that there is only one option to play certain archetype.

I don't mind ascendancies having strong identity.

Also Explode Chieftain was ignite build and EA Ballista Champion still exists. So there are exceptions even with strong incentives and identities.

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Draegnarrr#2823 wrote:

Its because they were removing the typed bonuses from all of the shaper nodes, that node specifically was pretty much taken for all damage ignites not for 25% more if fire as you'd generally outperform as another ascendancy if using fire already.

Its a thematic tidy up and not universally a nerf, they all got kinda sidegraded in a way. I personally think the chill node is worse now for example but some players like it much more.

Basically its not a nerf, the golem PDR loss is the closest thing to a nerf and even that has avenues where its better now.

Edit: They actually changed the chill node again so its pure defensive but its harder to scale.... Need to think about this one specifically again, gut feeling is slight nerf due to increase investment requirements but will have to play around with it.

Most ignite builds already used fire damage.

That 25% more multiplier will be missed. Getting just enough damage was enough to play dot builds comfortably and now it's harder.

If you already used fire damage you'll get more damage from the other changes but you also could have done bigger ignites not as elementalist so I don't get it.

The builds that will lose out are split damage type builds that would nudge their fire to be top because they can't drop the notable so get the damage back, for everyone else I think it winds out fairly similar.

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SunL4D2#6224 wrote:

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Aynix#7757 wrote:

Your response shows why exactly it needed to be gone.
You treat change to Elementalist as nerf to Ignite. Why? Because you wouldnt even think about playing Ignite on something else than Elementalist. THey want to get rid such things. THey dont want you to think that there is only one option to play certain archetype.

I don't mind ascendancies having strong identity.

Also Explode Chieftain was ignite build and EA Ballista Champion still exists. So there are exceptions even with strong incentives and identities.

But they do. They dont want to pigeonhole ascendencies, they want every archetype to be viable with multiple diffrent classes w/o everyone instantly thinking "yeah this one is definitely the best one".

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Draegnarrr#2823 wrote:

Its because they were removing the typed bonuses from all of the shaper nodes, that node specifically was pretty much taken for all damage ignites not for 25% more if fire as you'd generally outperform as another ascendancy if using fire already.

Its a thematic tidy up and not universally a nerf, they all got kinda sidegraded in a way. I personally think the chill node is worse now for example but some players like it much more.

Basically its not a nerf, the golem PDR loss is the closest thing to a nerf and even that has avenues where its better now.

Edit: They actually changed the chill node again so its pure defensive but its harder to scale.... Need to think about this one specifically again, gut feeling is slight nerf due to increase investment requirements but will have to play around with it.

i cant remember exactly but i think i had the fire node, convergence and the elemental aegis node as the last one for a little defence on my ignite build.

now im getting defence from the ignite node ill probably drop the aegis thing and get the shock node which will give me back the 25% more damage. so all in all will probably get the same damage and more defence from the ascendancy, and then ill have to use one of those stupid little golems which are threatening to be use one on every character bullshit again sadly and probably end up with a bit more dps and defence overall?




i think its fine, its a good change actually. its stopped the elementalist being too much of a go to pick for ignite as people have said, its giving her more defence in her nodes which she needed and its making her theme more mastering elements now where you can do shock, ignite etc with other elements and not feel like ur wasting the power of your nodes.

so builds got more diversity overall and she specifically got a bit more personality with a better rounded set of capabilities. i dont think elementalist has ever really felt like it quite came together for me but now it seems really coherent and healthy.