Five Weeks into 0.2.0, POE2 is Down 93.2% Players All Time & 83.9% from Patch Launch

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JarlaxleDaerthe#2435 wrote:

There is no debate about the half a million players who no longer log into PoE 2. The steam data confirms it.

Enjoy your break!

No it does not. That is just classic lack of understanding of number annalysis. What is says iis only on the name peak CONCURRENT. You can have the same number of people playing (not saying it it, just a theory exercise) and have a drastically reduced concurrent count because people are playing less hours.

As an example. LEts consider that there is 1 million players in a game and that they play on average 4 hours per day. Their tiem of day playing is spread uniformly troughout the day to make easier to calculate. You have an expected 166 thousand simultaneous players.

Now you keep the same 1 million players.. but they play only 1 hour per day, your average player count online will drop to 41 thousand.

It gets even more drastic when people stop playing all days and do some other stuff on some days (as sane people do after they have been playing a game for a while). If most people start playing every other day only then the count drops to 20 k... still with same 1 million players.

So no, unless you have access to GGG database you do not know how many people still play the game. All you know is that the total time players are online is reducing...

Also on a parallel point. THis game has a different demographic than POE1. It is dubm to use the same measurement. I always found weird that POE 1 players keep playing the game for months after a release. Most sane people do not play a game for more than a month before taking a break. POE2 probably has much more of this type of player, so only on a long run and with proper data that only GG has they can measure real player retention.

absolute fcking copium

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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JarlaxleDaerthe#2435 wrote:

There is no debate about the half a million players who no longer log into PoE 2. The steam data confirms it.

Enjoy your break!

No it does not. That is just classic lack of understanding of number annalysis. What is says iis only on the name peak CONCURRENT. You can have the same number of people playing (not saying it it, just a theory exercise) and have a drastically reduced concurrent count because people are playing less hours.

As an example. LEts consider that there is 1 million players in a game and that they play on average 4 hours per day. Their tiem of day playing is spread uniformly troughout the day to make easier to calculate. You have an expected 166 thousand simultaneous players.

Now you keep the same 1 million players.. but they play only 1 hour per day, your average player count online will drop to 41 thousand.

It gets even more drastic when people stop playing all days and do some other stuff on some days (as sane people do after they have been playing a game for a while). If most people start playing every other day only then the count drops to 20 k... still with same 1 million players.

So no, unless you have access to GGG database you do not know how many people still play the game. All you know is that the total time players are online is reducing...

Also on a parallel point. THis game has a different demographic than POE1. It is dubm to use the same measurement. I always found weird that POE 1 players keep playing the game for months after a release. Most sane people do not play a game for more than a month before taking a break. POE2 probably has much more of this type of player, so only on a long run and with proper data that only GG has they can measure real player retention.

Also on a parallel point. THis game has a different demographic than POE1. It is dubm to use the same measurement. I always found weird that POE 1 players keep playing the game for months after a release. Most sane people do not play a game for more than a month before taking a break. POE2 probably has much more of this type of player, so only on a long run and with proper data that only GG has they can measure real player retention.[/quote]

Mobile sucks xD. Repost for quotes.

POE1 players are ARPG enjoyers and there's not a lot of genre options that offer replayability every couple of months. If you like depth and endgame, it's basically POE1. A lot of players including myself like to play a build at league start and min-max, which can be fun for many weeks. Usually by then you get a new league around the corner. Right now POE2 for many isn't fun to grind endgame or min max or you have nothing to do with that player power. So people get bored with that and there's been no POE1 leagues to enjoy. So they channel that boredom into screaming about POE2. Not healthy but I get it; they want a fun game. Basically give people POE1 leagues and most will chill out.

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LeFlesh#9979 wrote:

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ShaDarkLord#6528 wrote:

• Before patch 0.2, the game had a decent variety of viable builds.

LOL NO



and STILL no

Before 0.2
OP Builds:

1)Sparks

2)Autobomber

3)Attribute Stacker

Lightning Arrow Deadeye
These were classic one-button builds that got a ton of hype — simple, effective, and strong.

Strong Builds:

1)Summoner Infernalist

2)CWDT Infernalist

3) Frost Stormviewer

4) Trampletoe Invoker

5) Galvanic Shards (Gemling/Deadeye)

6) Three Dragons Xbow

7) Flicker Strike (Invoker/Gemling)

8) Spark Invoker

9) common invoker with staff

All of these could comfortably handle all Uber content with some investment and mechanical knowledge. Solid, skillful, and rewarding.

Mediocre Builds:

1) Concorsion Pathfinder

2) Poison Arrow Chaluya

3) Decompose Pathfinder

4) Titan / Warbringer builds

They took real effort to push through T4 content but were still viable with the right setup.

After 0.2
OP Builds:

1) LS Builds

2) Blood Mage Bleed Spear

3) Snake Spear Deadeye

Still one-button builds, and now all of them use the same weapon type.
There’s zero build variety at the top.

Strong Builds:
Honestly, it’s hard to name any.
If you know a few that actually compete with the OP ones — please ping me.
Maybe:

1) Xbow Glacial or Galvanic builds

2) Flicker Strike (Invoker/Gemling)

3) Chaos Lich

4) invoker

But they’re on shaky ground.

Mediocre Builds:

1) Frost Arrow Chaluya

2) Frost Mage

3) Lightning Arrow Deadeye

4) Titan with Spear (is it even fixed?)

5) Warbringer Roar builds

These struggle to clear T4 content unless you invest a ton of time and currency.


Conclusion-
we have same 3 Op builds but now they use all spearks.

we had 9 strong A tier builds (im sure it was many but i can't call it all)
Now we have 4 only

Strong builds was shifted by overnerfs to medicore and all medicore were buried. OP builds at 0.1 state were also buried to complete garbage (att stacker still playable but who cares)

So 16 avaliable builds with alot of deviations and it's like 12 when most of them is medicore which can't kill any t4 content (except Xsesht, the easiest one)

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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JarlaxleDaerthe#2435 wrote:

There is no debate about the half a million players who no longer log into PoE 2. The steam data confirms it.

Enjoy your break!

No it does not. That is just classic lack of understanding of number annalysis. What is says iis only on the name peak CONCURRENT. You can have the same number of people playing (not saying it it, just a theory exercise) and have a drastically reduced concurrent count because people are playing less hours.

As an example. LEts consider that there is 1 million players in a game and that they play on average 4 hours per day. Their tiem of day playing is spread uniformly troughout the day to make easier to calculate. You have an expected 166 thousand simultaneous players.

Now you keep the same 1 million players.. but they play only 1 hour per day, your average player count online will drop to 41 thousand.

It gets even more drastic when people stop playing all days and do some other stuff on some days (as sane people do after they have been playing a game for a while). If most people start playing every other day only then the count drops to 20 k... still with same 1 million players.

So no, unless you have access to GGG database you do not know how many people still play the game. All you know is that the total time players are online is reducing...

Also on a parallel point. THis game has a different demographic than POE1. It is dubm to use the same measurement. I always found weird that POE 1 players keep playing the game for months after a release. Most sane people do not play a game for more than a month before taking a break. POE2 probably has much more of this type of player, so only on a long run and with proper data that only GG has they can measure real player retention.

Just keep huffing that copium, I'm sure that all 40k of the concurrent players are the same 580k that initially started playing... especially on Friday nights and weekends.

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Kraythax#2592 wrote:

By contrast I just tripped over this video about POE1 and really really really wish GGG hadn't abandoned it. I will believe there is a new league when I see it. Its been over a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8NSLIP76gI

Settlers has been out for 301 days. Last I checked, there are more than 301 days in a year...

Doesn't really matter at this point, yes they mis-calculated, no they should not have overshot THAT much. Does GGG have a project manager?

All it's done is make a mess of everything, i can only imagine how stressed/disappointed, etc., the general teams are. I do feel bad for them.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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JarlaxleDaerthe#2435 wrote:

There is no debate about the half a million players who no longer log into PoE 2. The steam data confirms it.

Enjoy your break!

No it does not. That is just classic lack of understanding of number annalysis. What is says iis only on the name peak CONCURRENT. You can have the same number of people playing (not saying it it, just a theory exercise) and have a drastically reduced concurrent count because people are playing less hours.

As an example. LEts consider that there is 1 million players in a game and that they play on average 4 hours per day. Their tiem of day playing is spread uniformly troughout the day to make easier to calculate. You have an expected 166 thousand simultaneous players.

Now you keep the same 1 million players.. but they play only 1 hour per day, your average player count online will drop to 41 thousand.

It gets even more drastic when people stop playing all days and do some other stuff on some days (as sane people do after they have been playing a game for a while). If most people start playing every other day only then the count drops to 20 k... still with same 1 million players.

So no, unless you have access to GGG database you do not know how many people still play the game. All you know is that the total time players are online is reducing...

Also on a parallel point. THis game has a different demographic than POE1. It is dubm to use the same measurement. I always found weird that POE 1 players keep playing the game for months after a release. Most sane people do not play a game for more than a month before taking a break. POE2 probably has much more of this type of player, so only on a long run and with proper data that only GG has they can measure real player retention.

Also, people keep mentioning STEAM numbers, which does not count Xbox, PlayStation, and Standalone PC client. Most people I have talked to do not play on Steam though I cannot speak for everyone.

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LostSoulz289#8506 wrote:

Also, people keep mentioning STEAM numbers, which does not count Xbox, PlayStation, and Standalone PC client. Most people I have talked to do not play on Steam though I cannot speak for everyone.

Steam numbers, relative to themselves, are still a useful (and mostly still the only reliable) metric available. It is quite reasonable to assume that the playerbase trends on Steam reflect the larger overall playerbase. Steam data for PoE Deuce also (for the time being, at least) includes players in the Chinese market, while PoE's Steam numbers do not. =^[.]^=

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JarlaxleDaerthe#2435 wrote:

There is no debate about the half a million players who no longer log into PoE 2. The steam data confirms it.

It really doesn't though. Quarter million doesn't log into PoE 1.

Yes I know, PoE was dead and done for so long.

But then the question is, if PoE 2 was finished, and had three dozen leagues worth of content, and then was left with little content for 10 months, what would be the numbers.

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JarlaxleDaerthe#2435 wrote:

Enjoy your break!

Thanks