Armour Stacker went horribly wrong.

I watched BigDaddy's 6 part video series on Armour Stacking.
Including this one:


So i copied his build for the most part and ended up with 410k armour. https://pobb.in/SdnRpvrWvETK

Not too far off the 620k of his budget build. https://pobb.in/Uzo-XL-SNNM4

And 2% of his damage.
Two.

934,881 versus 46,992,876

How the hell is that possible??


I pondered for hours what it might be.
Yes, he uses 2 swords, I use one.
He has an overcap helmet, I don't.
If it was half the damage I would have understood.
But 2 percent??
I spent the whole evening watching more videos, surfing PoE Ninja and clicking around in PoB.
Then it struck me.


So before I buy 40 tattoos and a several hundred div expensive armor:
Is it worth it, compared to Double Strike max Block Gladiator?
I got this up and running with about 20 div and it's way tankier with way more damage than my crippled Armor Stacker so far.

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LoTharios#3338 wrote:

I pondered for hours what it might be.
Yes, he uses 2 swords, I use one.
He has an overcap helmet, I don't.
If it was half the damage I would have understood.
But 2 percent??

It sounds like you're missing where the damage is coming from.
The Calcs tab in PoB helps with this.

They have :
200% more damage from Armour (2x Sword, 50% more armour)
100% more damage from enemy resists + inc damage taken
--extra 20% increased damage taken from Scion's Champion taunt + Intimidate
--lightning res lowered by 30% (17% from Conductivity curse on hit ring, 13% from Exposure on gloves)
--more lightning penetration, mostly from a Tincture
80% more damage from attack speed/accuracy vs your attack speed/accuracy/crit
--most of the difference is they have Haste and Vaal Haste both active
30% more damage from Rage
13% more damage from Precise Technique vs your Frenzy Charges + Scion's Trickster

145% more added lightning damage because they have have 27% more aura effect, and also Vaal Smite's aura buff enabled where you Smite's aura buff enabled

100% more damage because they have two Smite skill groups both included in "Full DPS"--probably to account for hitting the enemy with the AoE from your slash and the melee from from "Non-Vaal Strike skills target # nearby additional enemies"



This adds up to more of a difference than you see because there are other things you have that they don't, but that's the general idea.

Also, your Light of Meaning will probably give you more bang for your buck if you swap it with the crimson jewel by the Scion starting position. It should also make the unallocated passives in Unnatural Instinct's range give you its bonus.

A lot of factors combining together multiplicatively by the sounds of it.

Whenver you "copy" someone's posted build, the most important thing (and things a lot of people miss) is taking the time to learn the concepts of what makes it work. The reason that's important is because said builds usually incorporate expensive items and at the very least people like to test a concept before committing, or simply make a more budget friendly version accessible to them.

Its especially the case with scaling up damage, as the gains are often in things like 21/20 gems and other premiums that cost extra.

Honestly for me even in standard I try not to go overboard, too used to things getting nerfed so that spending too much on any given thing feels like its gonna lose value faster than a brand new car leaving a lot.

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

This adds up

Thank you for your service!

I imported my gear into his PoB and the damage wouldve been 7 mio.
60% coming from his helmet.

I was giving up because the cheapest one costed 200 div yesterday.
2 minutes ago i bought this one for 2 div.

So ill give it another try.



Edit:
There is still a lot i dont get.

His Forbidden Flesh Combo gives him 0,8% dps.
Why did he choose that?

Might be for the non damage stats which seem pretty good. If he already has 40mil dps, QOL might be better for him. It might be the best way to get ES leech, because it is not that easy to get on attack builds. The other stats are pretty good too, and I think he has 2 masteries, so 4% more damage may not be that far below other options. POB is showing that as only .8% more total damage? Seems less than I think it would be, but haven't really looked at the build.

Man this game kills me.

I was at the point where i thought i made it work.
Was quite tanky just coulndt fit Grace in.

When i fixed that, suddenly i was a glasscannon and i dont know why.

65/65 Block
90% all res
CI
350% fire res

Run the same map all day.
Multiple maps deathless.
Now 5 deaths in one map.
White.

Im so done for today.


Luckily i didnt spend much.

I am looking at your pob you posted initially.

You are level 93, your clusters are bad, your tree is bad, your boots are bad, shapers touch gloves do almost nothing for you, you are scaling determ effect instead of grace on ring, you don't have a way of converting resistances to damage (resistances -> armour -> damage), you don't have a timeless jewel, your thread of hope is a waste of 7 points, neither of your rings have fire res (???), your watchers eye is pretty much useless, no sovereignty reservation wheel, you arent hit capped in pob (RT sword), a stibnite flask is better than a granite flask, no precise technique (not ci?), your light of meaning is wasting a jewel socket, your unnatural instinct is doing nothing because you dont have the timeless jewel, not taking overcap fire res for life regen, 8% damage per aura mastery is not worth 1 passive, a grace aul's uprising is EV% instead of ES%, you dont have rage, not using melding, no haste aura, you are going necromancer ascend but not using an offering.

I could keep going, but it's getting boring. TLDR, everything about this character is wrong, you dont understand how armour stacking works, and you clearly did not watch the 6 part armour stacking guide like you said you did. Plus you are in standard so just buy a bugged fire res stacking body armour and call it a day, it's standard.

Yeah I get what your saying budget armor stacker is fairly squishy and without spending a lot of divines your damage is going to be lowish when compared to something like EE trickster or stuff. But I mean you are probably doing some stuff wrong also and keep in mind the balance in poe changes with every patch so not all vids on armor stacker are going to be up to date.

I have made a few budget armor stackers for fun but really you can't expect too much from an armor stacker with low budget. You just struggle to get your armor high enough while also having good amounts of hp on a budget. Is it playable like you can clear t16 maps sure but is it viable for uber content probably not.

One thing I will agree that was said in here was that you should try to get the armor that has insane amounts of fire resist in standard if your serious about making an armor stacker for standard. It's just so much free damage if your going to spend money on the build I would start there.

I will share with you my tech for armor stacker I use vaal clarity to cast my blessing aura instead of trying to reduce it's mana cost. This trick makes it so you only have the extra aura for bosses but it saves a lot of effort to try and make the aura castable by reducing its costs as it's free to cast with vaal clarity.

Thank yous for the feedack.
But i already gave up on that Build.
I just wanted to test if i like it.
But im no rich dude, i just have 2.2k divs and im not willing to spend all that to find out its just enough to make it barely viable.

Im much happier with my trickster which has enough potential to sink all my currency in if i decide switching to Int Stacking.