Making Combat "Meaningful" in POE2, a 10y POE1 Vet View
" Why don't you play POE1. You clearly haven't. Go give it a shot. Play HC SSF. Come back and let me know how easy it was. Don't forget to record your play through and upload it. The tools for that are free. |
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"This is completely normal. LE just released a major update. I wonder what the ratio of Steam and standalone client is, but it's pretty reasonable to say PoE 2 is still played by more players. "I'm doing juiced T16 maps. When am I going to hit a wall? "No, because you're using your emotions and how you feel as arguments for concrete numbers that don't agree with you. |
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" Again, arguing with you is pointless because you don't have the context to understand my point. You are like someone going into a lousy bakery claiming all the products are good when you haven't been to the amazing one across the street. You have now devolved to claiming emotionalism when you don't even know me personally. Its a way to discount the points I brought up not through rational arguments but by attacking the messenger. It is rhetorically invalid and the only thing it accomplishes is to bump this thread, for which I am appreciative. |
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" Really like the guy who first, aggress summonner about "Im sure you play lighting spear" and with no exageration as "Its infuriating and tedious since there are 20 of them on the screen" talking about hags that always are 1 with a pack of mob then saying " arguing with you is pointless". How could we argue with you, when you are just exaggerating, coming here to evacuate your frustration, probalby cause you died in the game ? Yes combats are more engaging and yes it doesnt suit anyone and probably not you !!! There are a lot of issues with the game right now, but coming here saying combat in PoE2 is less engaging than in PoE1, its really a lost fight !!! Last edited by Legoury#0138 on Apr 21, 2025, 1:40:19 PM
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My issue here that you cant really force "soulslike" into an arpg.
Same way you cant create metroidvenia into a game that have generated maps either. Soulslike games are about slow, well telegraphed yet punishing movements and you counter it with resource management. Here I made a tenmillionth thread about the same thing. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3769197 I think to make combat meaningful in an arpg you should not let players even end up with OTP builds (one trick pony) The issue is, that while there are plenty of build options, once you make up your mind you funnel yourself to a single button build. I say so far poe2 is at best in cruel difficulty, where my decision is dictated by kill order. I am a warbringer with armor brake and thorn focus. So my meaningful combat is to identify what the swarm setup is: The most obvious ultrahazard is river hag for everyone. As soo you hear her grunting you know what will die first. Otherwise for example: annoying meteor casters, crossbow archers with massive burst shots (that somehow can oneshot me even though I am on full armor build) and the end of the line will be enemies that are fast. They just come to my feet to die anyway... But eventually tap-the-screen-clean build will be the one and only way to play endgame. Go to the thread and check out a list of skill and gems that could spice the combat up even in a swarm environment. |
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" Sigh. You clearly do not understand the rhetorical tools used in my post. I will guess that you are not a native English speaker from your grammar though. Such exaggerations are called "Hyperbole". Its designed to make a point. No one takes it numerically serious. Its as if I said, "Man I ate 1000 cookies today." Of course that would be impossible but the rhetorical device used is Hyperbole. " Nope. Not at all. I told you I have finished Sekiro. No clue how many times I died in that game but I would bet you would need 3 digits to represent it. I made the post because I care about the game. I have 3 accounts and have spent a lot on GGG products over the last 10y. I love POE1 and hoped POE2 would be even better. Regrettably it isnt. I have almost always play POE1 and POE2 as SSF and have enjoyed playing Hardcore and Ruthless in POE1. I have been here for quite a while. You are ... no offence intended .... a tourist. " Combat in POE2 is infuriating and tedious. Not engaging. But then you wouldn't know that because you play some of the meta skills. Roll a warrior. Do it in HCSSF and lets talk then. " How would you know? You own only the basic $30 key to POE2, haven't bought any POE1 packs, don't know what its like. You are like a guy trying to tell me a city sucks to visit when you haven't been there. You are basing your opinions on hearsay by a bunch of other people that have never been there. But as usual, I appreciate the bump. |
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" Just watching "DarthMicrotransaction" right now, a warrior playing in HCSSF, still alive. You would have a lot to learn from him Im sure (he is doing some really interesting video about PoE2). And if you want to argue with someone, stop trying to attack about their personnal way to play PoE2 when you have no idea, as you dont like when people are attacking you personnaly. Using an aggressive tone to express yourself never help you making an argument... |
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" I havent once attacked anyone personally. I simply pointed out they are playing one of the easier builds. That isnt an attack. I also challenged them to play more builds that are difficult. And I am delighted beyond all rational measure that Darth Microtransaction, a streamer in his 20s that plays literally 12 hours a day, is enjoying his play through. Of course the number of Darth Microtransaction type players playing this game are maybe 1 in 10,000. Is that the target audience? Whales that play non stop? (Don't Laugh, this is how TenCent makes all their money). You classify anyone that disagrees as an attack, which is typical of either a super defensive person, or a person who cant be bothered to take on the actual post. Either way, thanks for the bump and if this continues in this direction servers will be stable because virtually no one else will play it. |
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"The reason why I am not playing Call of Duty or FIFA is because I am not interested in them, and the same applies for PoE 1. I am not interested in PoE 1, that's why I'm playing PoE 2. Which is what GGG wants. They want PoE 2 to be very different so that PoE 1 and PoE 2 are not competing for the same type of player. "There are 20 hags trying to kill me, you must be playing lightning spear, 98% of players will leave, if only you played this other game you don't want to play you'd know how wrong your opinion is, these are just emotional statements with no basis in reality. |
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" Sidestepping the oft debated "they should have named it something else then .. " argument I will say that your experience means you will have no ability to make any kind of rational assessment of my post because you lack context. None of the things you posted are personal attacks. The 20 river hags is hyperbole and anyone who has played through act 3 knows what I am trying to convey. Furthermore most of the "POE2 is fine" group are playing in trade league and 71% of them according to POE Ninja are playing lightning spear. Those people are playing a different game than those, like me, who are allergic to sheep. (No wait he will take that literally and not metaphorically right?) Ok then those that play those meta builds are having a very different game than those who tried to use the skills as GGG intended and played melee or other classes that arent meta. But thanks for the bump. Appreciated. |
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