The leagues we have I. The game goes against what the game should be

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

Thats a fair point. I think it would also be fair to say however that most players' behavior suggests that they want to play quickly. All you have to do is look at the % of people choosing each class and ascendancy and it's pretty clear that slow methodical gameplay is not highly desired. The game that they ported all of this content from was successful, while this one is failing. Seems the path forward is quite obvious

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

Thats a fair point. I think it would also be fair to say however that most players' behavior suggests that they want to play quickly. All you have to do is look at the % of people choosing each class and ascendancy and it's pretty clear that slow methodical gameplay is not highly desired. The game that they ported all of this content from was successful, while this one is failing. Seems the path forward is quite obvious

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LW187#4876 wrote:

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

Thats a fair point. I think it would also be fair to say however that most players' behavior suggests that they want to play quickly. All you have to do is look at the % of people choosing each class and ascendancy and it's pretty clear that slow methodical gameplay is not highly desired. The game that they ported all of this content from was successful, while this one is failing. Seems the path forward is quite obvious

Slower gameplay is not highly desired for the current player base and the reason is obvious. Because most ppl that picked up PoE2 are either from directly from PoE1 or they read that its supposed to be an ARPG, not an action game with RPG elements like Souls is. ARPG->hack n slay hundreds of trash mobs, only stop for loot and challenging bosses for most players. If GGG didnt want that, why:

- call it PoE2 when its nothing like PoE1 and not even in the same genre (could have had completely different title but I guess they wanted to leech off PoE1 content and its community)
- advertise it as an ARPG (still has this tag on steam)
- make ALL endgame content as well as the campaign to be zones consisting of hundreds of trash mobs that need to be dispatched quickly which requires (or at least highly recommends) the ARPG zoom zoom boom playstyle
- controversly and artifically slow down the players and implement souls mechanics and combo oriented gameplay with direct anti-synergy to everything else they developed

If they want a slower game they would have had to have completely different content, map layouts, mobs, etc. and also advertise the game not as an ARPG. They only have themselves to blame for the current outburst because yes, this player base absolutely expected ARPG playstyle and they kinda got a solid basis in 0.1 only to be forced in the complete opposite direction in 0.2.

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

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LW187#4876 wrote:

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Glowie_Zigger#5018 wrote:

Thats a fair point. I think it would also be fair to say however that most players' behavior suggests that they want to play quickly. All you have to do is look at the % of people choosing each class and ascendancy and it's pretty clear that slow methodical gameplay is not highly desired. The game that they ported all of this content from was successful, while this one is failing. Seems the path forward is quite obvious

Slower gameplay is not highly desired for the current player base and the reason is obvious. Because most ppl that picked up PoE2 are either from directly from PoE1 or they read that its supposed to be an ARPG, not an action game with RPG elements like Souls is. ARPG->hack n slay hundreds of trash mobs, only stop for loot and challenging bosses for most players. If GGG didnt want that, why:

- call it PoE2 when its nothing like PoE1 and not even in the same genre (could have had completely different title but I guess they wanted to leech off PoE1 content and its community)
- advertise it as an ARPG (still has this tag on steam)
- make ALL endgame content as well as the campaign to be zones consisting of hundreds of trash mobs that need to be dispatched quickly which requires (or at least highly recommends) the ARPG zoom zoom boom playstyle
- controversly and artifically slow down the players and implement souls mechanics and combo oriented gameplay with direct anti-synergy to everything else they developed

If they want a slower game they would have had to have completely different content, map layouts, mobs, etc. and also advertise the game not as an ARPG. They only have themselves to blame for the current outburst because yes, this player base absolutely expected ARPG playstyle and they kinda got a solid basis in 0.1 only to be forced in the complete opposite direction in 0.2.

Even with an entirely different clientele, zero transfer of POE 1 players to POE 2.. Who is to say that this is a good design space? People may enjoy it in the short term, but what of its longevity? The slow gameplay might just become tedious for the majority of players, like this completely arbitrary impediment to reaching your goals in the game. It's a risky thing for them to be so stubborn about when they had something that worked quite well in the past

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Stryfer#0953 wrote:

The identity crisis is definitely starting to creep in. It more than likely comes from the devs designing a game that wants to try something new, but bringing in a bunch of traditional, tried and tested ARPG mechanics.

Whether it came from PoE1 players lashing out or GGG jumping the gun on release, after the first 0.1 patches, PoE2 immediately stared morphing into something that wasn't showcased in their previews.

At least it's just a matter of balance and tuning/fleshing out mechanics rather than a core mismatch of concepts like in D4. By 0.4 maybe they'll start tailoring the mechanics better when everyone stops crying about how the game is too slow.

Honestly, just get the new league for PoE1 out, so these speed-clear demons can go back to their preferred arena. (No diss btw, I just want you guys to get your game back so you don't feel the need to turn ours into something it wasn't meant to be.)