"ALSO Fubgun quit SO yea, I quit too."

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Henide#3803 wrote:

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Rabarbar_Lichy#7553 wrote:

People who copy builds are not really playing, it's like playing 90s adventure game with a full guide. Don't care for them or those who profit on them either.

Okay there mr.MyWayortheHighway, imagine saying they are "not really playing". lmao bro thinks people who go meta builds are not playing the game. Maybe you have 300 hours to try shit and find out it doesn't work, not everyone can be like you no lifing 5 level 95 characters and farm enough gold to reroll each class 30 times. Most people are here for dopamine hits and loot, the fact you just called probably 80% of the game's population "not playing the game", get off your high horse and stop talking. Arrogance and stupidity is all you are showing.

If all you do is go on maxroll and copy a build, you are indeed not playing the game.

The point is that the game design has failed if copying a char build is required to get anywhere in the game.

Builds should be an inspiration for some truly bizarre endgame demolishing stuff and/or revealing some odd synergy one has not thought of.

I partially blame sites like maxroll for why games have become so shit. Devs are balancing their games to be fun for people who stream and copy minmaxxed builds. Its boring.

GGG needs to have playtesters of various ages and experience and derive data from that. That costs money so good luck for that wish.


I still remember the time games were fun, yeah you could onetap all content in BG1 with some meta build...so what...who cares, roleplay a char you want and have fun.
Can't do that in poe2 tho.

In the first patch/release 0.1, you could actually get very far without copying any builds because most skills and passives worked.


In 0.2, it's so brutal and only like 3 meta builds are viable that if you don't copy builds, you'll never even get to cruel. GGG has reduced build diversity and you need to be even more strategic about your skills and passives than before. And people simply do not have the time to sit there in POB to test this shit.

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If all you do is go on maxroll and copy a build, you are indeed not playing the game.

The point is that the game design has failed if copying a char build is required to get anywhere in the game.

Builds should be an inspiration for some truly bizarre endgame demolishing stuff and/or revealing some odd synergy one has not thought of.

I partially blame sites like maxroll for why games have become so shit. Devs are balancing their games to be fun for people who stream and copy minmaxxed builds. Its boring.

GGG needs to have playtesters of various ages and experience and derive data from that. That costs money so good luck for that wish.


I still remember the time games were fun, yeah you could onetap all content in BG1 with some meta build...so what...who cares, roleplay a char you want and have fun.
Can't do that in poe2 tho.

I did do that in 0.1, it was a shitty experience. I played Titan Warrior as my first play through of the game in 0.1, no guides, no youtube videos, nothing. I literally went through the whole campaign auto attacking cause I didn't have enough gold to reroll talents and had no clue what I was doing. The game INHERENTLY doesn't teach you and isn't good enough to just go in blind and succeed, and after a 75 hour first campaign run through I didn't even do maps, cause I couldn't, I couldn't reroll to a point where I could, and my only way of continuing was to reroll a meta class following a guide. Ya'll saying oh you need to figure your own build out or you are not playing the game, yet to do that isn't a learning curve, it's a learning cliff. 50% of classes don't work and out of the other 50% only 10% are viable for uber end game, and you are telling me, yea go take your chances of 90% that you are probably going to fail. No thanks.

I don't have 100 hours to click around and find the best build on POB
I don't WANT TO spend 100hours clicking around and find a viable build on POB
Most of the viable builds are just variations of the same base build anyways
I'm here to go boom boom and get loot dopamine, and this game isn't doing any of that, which is like half of the reason end game even exists.
If I wanted to go playing a character progression game I won't be playing POE2 I'd go back to WoW.

On top of all this, you learn alot more about the game when you follow someone elses build anyways, you see how veterans makes decisions in directions of their builds and their thought process, and once you have enough knowledge you can actually make workable builds that are somewhat viable to play. So no, I completely disagree, guides make games more fun and increases longevity when it comes to game play.

who is fubgun?