GGG, spark is too OP it's broken, need to be Nerf!!!

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asE5uIgdxso

There. t16 28% delirium with 3 suffixes that are bad for the build.

Had to log out when i got frozen one time (can't rely on thawing charm - poison far more deadly for this build). And being mana starved slowed things down a lot.

But let me guess, the goalpost is no longer proving that my build exists right?

Watching how slowly you take down anything above a white (especially rares) is abysmally concerning considering your premise is still that spark is op. Have you even seen your own gameplay? Even a poorly optimized gas grenade explosion witchhunter would have an easier time running through this.

It's abundantly clear in your videos that you're struggling at many moments even on this map, you're nowhere near clearing it with ease. (You even said the same in your video captions yourself.)

Half of the builds on the list I shared would have creamed through the same map mods you ran similarly or with greater ease.

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

Do you think every build should be able to clear a t13 map with only 4 low-level items equipped at lvl ~65-70?

You're running a 1000% crit damage scale with infernalist low life pool on spark with only 20k base damage. There is little to no gear scaling when you're only honestly utilizing mostly passive and ascendencies. I can already roughly gauge how blatantly average your performance is already going to look on POB.

T13 is not the baseline of anything great, I shouldn't have to repeat this if you were reading my responses to you before. Moreover, you're struggling. That alone should be an indication to you that you might be punching a little above your weight class at that point. Hardly at ease.

I also agree that it's going over your head, there's nothing new you're bringing to this discussion that refutes my rebuttals, but yet insist on the premise (which puzzles me greatly). I likely won't respond to this anymore.

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suchacrisis#2704 wrote:

Seeing people in this thread acting like a build that is over 35% of the top 1000 of the ladder isn't OP is hilarious.

Spark is currently the most broken, dumbest, most brain dead build in this game and it's not even close. Wild to see 3 pages now of people trying to defend it lmao

You know what's more wild? Few weeks ago deadeye was 31.7% on the leaderboard, infernalist was 23.7%, Storms were only 19%. I suppose spark was the problem yeah?

Making a claim because you saw an image of CLASS distribution, and on reddit to boot. Maybe it might have escaped you that there are skills beyond spark that SW builds run too, especially as a main DPS.

Moreover, I'm quite convinced the mass majority of that spark users aren't having that great a time after getting clickbaited into it, considering how many cries for help I see on the POE2 official discord regarding spark builds.

Quantity = popularity != OP.

The upper echelon players who are capable at making builds work at a high level, don't represent the average folks like you, and contribute far less to your statistics of what's OP for everyone.

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Suchka_777#4336 wrote:

If this build require any skill to clear map in your opinion, you just have skill level quite below average, but for average player such build should be categorized as OP.

Please explain to the grander audience what kind of skill is required for any other build to clear maps. Let's start there yeah? How about concoc pathfinder? How skillful does one need to be? Certainly takes a lot of skill to point and click/press a button.

How about minion arsonists? I suppose it's quite difficult to only walk around and pick up loot. Wasn't aware any decent builds require elden ring level of play here.

This certainly is a marketplace of "experts", and the tunnel vision responses here are real. Some of you are clearly unequipped for a discussion on this topic.

If mapping decently = OP, we should all be running zdps like Quinn and having a blast doing it. 30min per tier 10s, and beyond anyone?

I'm open to a higher level discussion on this, and my position on this topic is not fixed. (One of my toons is a lv95 sparker which I've stopped playing for a while now to explore other builds. And I have minmax into the far deep end of oblivion and successfully done every single content at this game, and T4 bosses) - So yes, surprise, I do actually know this build inside out.

Does it need some tuning? Maybe, maybe not. Game options aren't even fully available. However throwing shade because you're salty about something you can't play, don't fully understand, or don't have access to, doesn't equate to a discussion. There really is nothing else I can add to this.

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spaznaz#0311 wrote:

1. LA/LR deadeye
2. Explolding arrow
3. Galvanizic Shard
4. Essence Drain
5. Hexblast
6. Stormwave/Tempest

Liar.

Show me a video of one of these builds clearing a t13 while wearing only 4 pieces of gear found during the campaign.

At this point you're being purposely obtuse. You're literally making a shitload of false assumptions. You saw in MULTIPLE videos i posted that im running 350-650% crit bonus.

Stop acting like im trying to pass off my build as a super-duper blaster. THAT WAS NEVER THE POINT. I cobbled this character together from spare parts, it's literally called 'experimancy'. my point was that with barely any items/no defense/shitty dps/only 4 items equpped- a spark build can still complete t13+. other builds cannot do that.

So stfu or make a video of another build clearing a t13 using only 4 items from the campaign.

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t's abundantly clear in your videos that you're struggling at many moments even on this map, you're nowhere near clearing it with ease. (You even said the same in your video captions yourself.)

Ya- because you're the one who put the condition of it being a delirium map. Delirium was not part of my initial claim. do you see what i mean by you keep shifiting the goal post now? My claim was = t18 can be done. You're claim = it was not possible.

Why are you struggling so hard to comprehend that this is not an example of a strong character- its just that with how spark functions a shitty build can still work

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

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spaznaz#0311 wrote:

1. LA/LR deadeye
2. Explolding arrow
3. Galvanizic Shard
4. Essence Drain
5. Hexblast
6. Stormwave/Tempest

Liar.

Show me a video of one of these builds clearing a t13 while wearing only 4 pieces of gear found during the campaign.

At this point you're being purposely obtuse. You're literally making a shitload of false assumptions. You saw in MULTIPLE videos i posted that im running 350-650% crit bonus.

Stop acting like im trying to pass off my build as a super-duper blaster. THAT WAS NEVER THE POINT. I cobbled this character together from spare parts, it's literally called 'experimancy'. my point was that with barely any items/no defense/shitty dps/only 4 items equpped- a spark build can still complete t13+. other builds cannot do that.

So stfu or make a video of another build clearing a t13 using only 4 items from the campaign.

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t's abundantly clear in your videos that you're struggling at many moments even on this map, you're nowhere near clearing it with ease. (You even said the same in your video captions yourself.)

Ya- because you're the one who put the condition of it being a delirium map. Delirium was not part of my initial claim. do you see what i mean by you keep shifiting the goal post now? My claim was = t18 can be done. You're claim = it was not possible.

Why are you struggling so hard to comprehend that this is not an example of a strong character- its just that with how spark functions a shitty build can still work

At this point I think you've lost the plot, and I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore. With every reply, you're doubling down without considering new information that might provide a counter-perspective.

The Spark you're showing is functional at best. Your case is poor from the very get go and you can't back it up. Let it go.

Youtube is your best friend, do you need to be spoonfed that too?

Perhaps it's time to consider that you may not actually know as much as you think you do in this regard.

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spaznaz#0311 wrote:

At this point I think you've lost the plot, and I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore.

The Spark you're showing is functional at best. Your case is poor from the very get go and you can't back it up. Let it go.

Youtube is your best friend, do you need to be spoonfed that too?

Perhaps it's time to consider that you may not actually know as much as you think you do in this regard.

Dude, you're the one who called me a liar. I post video evidence, and then every reply after that has been ignoring everything i wrote and complaining that my build "clearly isn't the optimal form of spark" ya, no shit. that's the point. an unoptimizaed spark build performs far above what its defenses/offenses should ever allow.

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spaznaz#0311 wrote:

"1. LA/LR deadeye
2. Explolding arrow
3. Galvanizic Shard
4. Essence Drain
5. Hexblast
6. Stormwave/Tempest

These are just some example of builds that don't really utilize really high end budget to perform really well (many even better) than what's currently showcased. (Do your own search, plenty of places to view them)"

I'm calling you out on your bullshit.
Show me a video of one of these builds clearing a t13 while wearing only 4 pieces of gear found during the campaign. You said they outperform spark with similar budget. your alotted budget is 4 items from the campaign. I'll be waiting for your "show and tell"

No joke spark will be an order of magnitude less powerful when all is said and done. It’s funny to me that people see it as the “only working build” as if the build with it is within the intended power level of the game. Same with Lightning Arrow - if it’s possible to kill a pinnacle boss with the build within seconds, you *really* should start preparing yourself for the reality that it’s not just getting nerfed, it’s going to be *destroyed*. Seriously at 10% of its current power or less when all is said and done. The builds you think suck because they’re an order of magnitude less powerful? They’re more aligned with where the balance is intended to exist, based on the developer’s statements.

I’m just saying, if you think Spark is not getting nerfed in 3 different ways at a minimum you’re really kidding yourself. I just think it doesn’t benefit anyone for them to have expectations so divorced from reality. Enjoy it while it lasts, as soon as the balance patch hits it won’t resemble what you’re playing today. I’m not calling for it so much as saying that’s obviously what will happen based on current results and the developer’s own words.

Here is my personal experience, for what it's worth.

I am by no means a skilful player. My sight is compromised, which affects my ability to see certain mechanics clearly. With a moderate 120 div investment, I was able to clear every Pinnacle boss (+4, where applicable), including Simulacrum +4.

Everything melted. Normal, Magic, Rare, Pinnacle; there is no distinction to be made when even +4's melt in 3-4 seconds. In my opinion, a 120 div build should not be able to steamroll everything. Should it be capable of defeating +4's? Yes. Should it be capable of melting the most difficult bosses instantly? Absolutely not.

When someone like me can clear every last bit of content for such a low investment, you know something is askew. We're talking about end-end-end-endgame bosses. There's no way it can be justified; trivialising the most difficult content in the game should require a LOT more investment.

But boy oh boy was it fun.

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

At this point you're being purposely obtuse. You're literally making a shitload of false assumptions. You saw in MULTIPLE videos i posted that im running 350-650% crit bonus.

where does that bonus come from btw?

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rumpelstiltskin#2683 wrote:

where does that bonus come from btw?

Pain attunement gives 30% more crit bonus when on low life and the infernalists ascendancy Grinning immolation gives another 30% more crit bonus in exchange for igniting myself when i crit.

With that, the increased crit bonus nodes within my builds range and a couple saphire jewels is enough to get whats seen in the videos.

the snipit of the +1200% was me playing around with powertread hunting shoes just to see how high it could go.

This is no where near the potential cap either. None of my gear has +crit bonus on it except 2-3 saphire jewels.

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Direfell#7544 wrote:

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rumpelstiltskin#2683 wrote:

where does that bonus come from btw?

Pain attunement gives 30% more crit bonus when on low life and the infernalists ascendancy Grinning immolation gives another 30% more crit bonus in exchange for igniting myself when i crit.

With that, the increased crit bonus nodes within my builds range and a couple saphire jewels is enough to get whats seen in the videos.

the snipit of the +1200% was me playing around with powertread hunting shoes just to see how high it could go.

This is no where near the potential cap either. None of my gear has +crit bonus on it except 2-3 saphire jewels.

ok so you basically collected +250% increased from various sources (before 2 "mores" are applied)

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Scryer16#5746 wrote:

Nerf Like doing 90% less damage

Any idea on what to buff then? Because Chronomancer is apparently not that good, which means Sorc isn't OP by a long shot without Spark + Archmage. A class built on interaction of 2 broken skills and one ascendancy is not a well-designed class. So please be so kind and provide any ideas on how to redesign it instead of adding to a millionth thread of "nerf Spark", which is a bandaid, not a solution to the problem.