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Trade scamming is pretty hard to prove, this is why they arent banned. Report the person if you feel they were trading in bad faith, and if GGG gets enough reports against the same account, we can assume some action is taken.
GGG has made a trade system that is pretty good at preventing trade scams, assuming you are paying attention.
-You HAVE to mouse over an item to highlight it green to enable accept trade. GGG can't force you to actually look at the details of that item when doing so, but you SHOULD.
-If you do this, and then the accept trade option goes grey AGAIN, then then item was moved/swapped. This could be an accident by the legit trader, or a scam. Spend the 2 extra seconds it takes, and LOOK at the item again.
Problem solved.
"pretty hard to prove"
you must have took something funny haven't you ? what's so hard about "proving" a scam when you get a direct link from GGG's website directly into the game with the item you requested.
and when GGG can check the chats and see that no different aggreement have been made after that direct message?
the only exception would be if chats happened outside of the game, and although that can be proved since in most cases you will see chat histories in discord and other wise, at the very least you can see if the action have been reperted by the scammed people. and if the scammer gets reported like 5+ times in a day for example or maybe 10 times a week "whatever GGG thinks is the proper number of reports" and every time they have a proper direct link from their website with the item and the scamer put a different one without any further messaging for different agreement.
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what's so hard about "proving" a scam when you get a direct link from GGG's website directly into the game with the item you requested.
and when GGG can check the chats and see that no different aggreement have been made after that direct message?
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The term "scam" implies malicious intent. You can't prove intent based on a mismatch between the trade request and the trade itself. I.e, a mistake or lack of attention on the sellers part is not a scam.
Proving the seller didn't simply make a mistake is not actually possible. The best GGG can do is trend analysis across multiple reports and make an informed assumption.
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Posted byPiousqd#0073on Jan 25, 2025, 4:25:46 PM
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Chalk up another reason why an auction house is good for the game.
The reason "trade is bad" in a LOT of cases is because players don't pay attention to what they are trading for, an auction house will not fix that.
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Posted bylagwin1980#2224on Jan 26, 2025, 4:19:19 AM
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I blame Elon Ma
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Posted byskaterboy80#3665on Jan 26, 2025, 4:38:44 PM
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it's a weird effect but it seems that the higher the trade value, the less attention people pay towards the trade.
might be the sweaty fingers when they supposedly make the deal of their lifetime with a newb?
age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill! Last edited by vio#1992 on Jan 26, 2025, 6:13:28 PM
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Posted byvio#1992on Jan 26, 2025, 6:13:19 PMAlpha Member
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The trading system is broken in more ways than you described above.
I've been scammed while selling my Mirror of Kallandra simply due to the fact that your inventory cant hold more than 1200 D. I sold it for 1530D. Obviously the transaction needs to be broken in two so the scammer loaded his inventory with 1200 divines and swapped them for a mirror. I put them into my stash and asked for the rest. And dude just went offline.
U may say that the laughs are on me since I should take 320D and give nothing back and trade mirror in a second go but... what if I was a scammer? This way way I could steal 300D x infinite times as long as it would entertain me. Both ways transaction is broken.
And that doesn't only apply to the mirror. Say U want stash yourself with more common currency. Should you really trade 10 times to buy that 10K orbs of alteration?
As someone before me said an auction house would be a great solution and don't even tell me that is too much work because currency exchange is a game feature in Settlers and moreover it is a separate thing from www listing. GGG could do it, they just don't care. And I know what I'm saying because I've contacted their support and it was a horrible experience. They always reply with the same scripted crap. Basically they said they made a note about the thieves account and when enough complains they may (not "they will" but "they may" - note the difference) shut it down. Of course I demanded action, at least returning me my missing D. They said firmly they can't and will not make any action in that matter. In fact I made an angry (respectful though) rant about my character being completely broken after 3,25 patch i think and they threatened me that they may block my email and wont answer ever again.
I dream about a lot of improvements to POE but I'm afraid that since the decision was made to make POE2 we will see a steady decline in POE improvements and tbh they were minuscule to begin with.
If only there where itens in worthy between Divines and Mirrors, like Hinekora's lOCK and MIRROR SHARD'S... oH, WAIT?
Exiles, pffff! Last edited by TrunksD2#2172 on Jan 27, 2025, 9:16:29 AM
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Posted byTrunksD2#2172on Jan 27, 2025, 9:16:08 AM
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SSF fixed issue for me, theres chance it will do for you.
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Posted byOjczyzna#1897on Jan 28, 2025, 12:52:10 PM
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The trading system is broken in more ways than you described above.
I've been scammed while selling my Mirror of Kallandra simply due to the fact that your inventory cant hold more than 1200 D. I sold it for 1530D. Obviously the transaction needs to be broken in two so the scammer loaded his inventory with 1200 divines and swapped them for a mirror. I put them into my stash and asked for the rest. And dude just went offline.
U may say that the laughs are on me since I should take 320D and give nothing back and trade mirror in a second go but... what if I was a scammer? This way way I could steal 300D x infinite times as long as it would entertain me. Both ways transaction is broken.
And that doesn't only apply to the mirror. Say U want stash yourself with more common currency. Should you really trade 10 times to buy that 10K orbs of alteration?
Yes, that is 100% your fault for trusting the person. There were many solutions:
1. We do have a currency exchange...
2. As for payment in something other than straight divine (mirror shards, hinekoras lock)
3. Split the divine transaction into 2 and use something as collateral. Pre-Currency exchange this was how I bought/sold a mirror. Have the person trade you a mageblood or other high value item for some of your divine. Then trade the rest of your divine and the collateral item back for the mirror.
4. We HAVE a currency exchange now.
That is like victim blaming when the system itself create a situation to exploit.
Pretty sure you support labour abuses because of a faulty system too.
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Posted byDutchMilk#4689on Jan 31, 2025, 4:25:39 AM
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Pretty sure you support labour abuses because of a faulty system too.
Except this is a GAME.. wow
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Posted byPiousqd#0073on Jan 31, 2025, 5:45:45 AM
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