Ascending is horrible. These mechanics for Ascendancy is horrible.

UPDATE:
I have figured out a way to Ascend that is so easy and fast, and can be done on any character. For the price of 3-5 Baryas or Inscrubed Ultimatums, which is about how many Attempts I made anyway, you can get not only your third BUT FOURTH as well achieved in mere minutes, without even lifting a finger.

Just bought me a carry. Holy shit in a shit sandwich, I'm just going to do this from now on. Cost me 40 exalts. That's actually less than what I spent on tokens, gear trying to upgrade my DPS to be able to down bosses quicker, and by a lot. I never thought I'd be buying 40 exalt carrys on a build that can slam through maps and down bosses in 30-60 seconds, for my fucking 3rd Ascendency point, but here we are! And it's a bargain!

Just buy a carry. They designed this (perhaps not intentionally) to fuel carry services. Help 'em out. Those fine folks who built for these build-specific mechanics are on to something.




I just failed my 3rd try at my 3rd point. I'm not trying again. I might be done with the game until things change. If they don't GGG is done seeing my money.

Every single time, I get through 3 fucking floors, with barely a scratch, get to the boss, and some random something hits me 2-3 times and I'm gone. An hour wasted in mere seconds, and I haven't been able to do anything about it at all.

I had like 50% honor resistance this time. Didn't fucking matter. Oh let's just fill the entire room with poison darts. For like 10 seconds. Awesome. Let's throw all these complex mechanics at people, on the thing that takes an hour to get to and has one attempt. Guess what, your build doesn't even matter! Your defenses? Don't matter! Playstyle? Don't matter! Waste your time and give us more supporter pack money, plebs.

Actual sadism. Cruel stuff right there. Intentional harm to players mental health, for the sake of "the weight" of it all. Fuck that. I am frustrated, I am angry, I am fucking sad, I am not looking forward to this challenge, because it's not a challenge, it's shitty mechanics that are gating required progression. I can and will not recommend this game to my friends who like ARPGS because I know damn well that these things will just be traps for them.

Save me that "You'll feel so good when you" blah blah, no. No I will not.

I will feel like I have wasted an absolute ton of time RUNNING THROUGH TRIALS I HAVE ALREADY COMPLETED for no (!*@#& reason.

I will feel like I am behind, because I am. My character is almost level 80 and only has 2 Ascendency points. I clear maps and kill bosses like a wind of death. Doesn't matter.

I will feel like I have wasted a shit load of energy, time, currency, rebuilding my character FOR THESE SPECIFIC MECHANICS which is wholly counter-intuitive to the idea of Ascendency, just to lose it all again because these specific mechanics have decided that I have failed. My build didn't fail. My build is fine.

Could you imagine if we had to run every prior lab each time we had to run lab in PoE? You want your 4th point? You're running 4 fucking labs. There would be riots. Completely pointless time sink, designed to frustrate us and make us feel some kind of way. Fuck that.

For Ascendancy!?!?!? A crucial and integral part of every single build ever? You give us mechanics that actively hinder the majority of build archetypes, to PROVE OUR BUILD WORKS? How can we do that when the mechanics to Ascend REMOVE THE VIABILITY OF OUR BUILDS!?!?!?!?

Absolutely shitting into open wounds of new players. Completely crapping on the concept of build diversity.


These mechanics are fine, as standalone mechanics. THEY HAVE ABSOLTELY NO PLACE BEING FORCED ON EVERY SINGLE PLAYER, CHARACTER, CLASS, BUILD, EVER.

FULL STOP.

I am pretty sure I am going to put this game away. I was planning on upgrading my supporter pack, but absolutely not. At this point I'm considering asking for a return on my supporter packs. I will not support this blatant disrespect to gamers. There is absolutely no reason that this should take THIS MUCH TIME outside of the one reason we have been given: GGG thinks it's cool to cause mental distress. Well, it's not. I DIDN'T ROLL A FUCKING HARDCORE CHARACTER.

Changes need to be made. This is ridiculous. There have been lots of suggestions made, and if Ascendency remains in any form even slightly resembling what it is now, you can count me and my money out. I'm here for a challenge, not someone's sadistic bad ideas stapled onto everyone's progression.

THESE MECHANICS HAVE NO PLACE BEING A REQUIREMENT. NONE. These are mechanics that people HATED when they were around. If this wasn't done on purpose to agitate us, then it was done out of actual pure ineptitude.

Didn’t Read that text wall but agree that ascendancy points shouldn’t be locked behind the trials as they are. Feels terrible. Poe1 ascendance were bad but not as bad as poe2.

This has to be a shitpost. The trials are fairly easy if you're overleveled (as in trying to get your 3rd ascendancy as a LEVEL 80 CHARACTER). The 3 floor Djinn Barya is around level 67, you should be able to almost delete out of existence the 3rd boss if you would "clear maps and kill bosses like a wind of death".

I am running Sekhemas or however you spell it for currency right now with a pretty cheap build (spent at best 3 divs for the whole gear). Might be a bit more expensive now due to inflation (so about 5-6). The trial is more than fine as a ranged character and okay as melee if you know what you're doing.

If you can't beat a level 67 boss as a level 80 character who said "I clear maps and kill bosses like a wind of death". then maybe is time to take a long look at your build instead of blaming the game.

The only thing I agree with is the annoyance of running all the floors over and over again. The trials should each have 1 floor.

Trial of chaos is a bit more RNG so you don't stack really bad buffs or get only bad choices, but it's still doable with a semi-decent build.

Take a look at your build, watch some guides and good luck. Or you can just buy a boost for 4th ascendancy if it's so hard, it's about 40 exalts.

analogy i would make

1. you need to do an ascendancy

2. a window opens up and pacman game starts. you must get a certain score in pacman in order to ascend

so this is what i am trying to say . . . the trials are not related to the rest of the game in any way at all as far as i can tell. it seems really stange that progression is gated behind getting a certain score in pacman.

one idea i could go for is if instead the trials rewarded a guarantee orange item each time of completion. or something like that. i still would not do them, but i do not care if others were getting a reward. and i could still get my ascendancy points in some way that actually made sense.

as far as i know they promised that there will be another way to do ascendancy. i hope it is based on the actual rest of the game and not getting a certain score in mrs. pacman instead of pacman.

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ApostuMihai#0296 wrote:

This has to be a shitpost. The trials are fairly easy if you're overleveled (as in trying to get your 3rd ascendancy as a LEVEL 80 CHARACTER). The 3 floor Djinn Barya is around level 67, you should be able to almost delete out of existence the 3rd boss if you would "clear maps and kill bosses like a wind of death".

I am running Sekhemas or however you spell it for currency right now with a pretty cheap build (spent at best 3 divs for the whole gear). Might be a bit more expensive now due to inflation (so about 5-6). The trial is more than fine as a ranged character and okay as melee if you know what you're doing.

If you can't beat a level 67 boss as a level 80 character who said "I clear maps and kill bosses like a wind of death". then maybe is time to take a long look at your build instead of blaming the game.

The only thing I agree with is the annoyance of running all the floors over and over again. The trials should each have 1 floor.

Trial of chaos is a bit more RNG so you don't stack really bad buffs or get only bad choices, but it's still doable with a semi-decent build.

Take a look at your build, watch some guides and good luck. Or you can just buy a boost for 4th ascendancy if it's so hard, it's about 40 exalts.

Forgive me, I forgot that even in obviously exaggerated frustrated posts, some of y'all require things to be written very exactly or else you can't interpret things. Let me do that for you.

I am level 76. (That's what the 'nearly' meant)

My build does not struggle in maps, I can clear them as fast as I can run, hardly realize rares until they die, and kill bosses very easily. My build takes some setup on bosses without adds, which I have on a weapon swap and works very well. My build relies on unique boots with very little movement speed. I'm a slow wind, but I never stop. It is not an issue anywhere else in the game yet. It is an issue on these bosses, because if they so much as graze me with the edge of some splash damage from an attack, I lose 20-30% of my honor.

It wasn't the scorpion that killed me. It was some random darts that shot out of every single wall for a long time. That didn't do any damage to me, weren't telegraphed, and didn't stop. The scorpion was at around 10% health.

I am not failing because my build is bad. I am failing because my build receives hits by enemies now and then. My build is bad at Sanctum. This game is not Sanctum. My build isn't built to avoid 100% of hits by all enemies, but I do manage to get to each of these bosses with nearly full Honour. Regardless, after only being grazed by a handful of attacks that did little to no damage, because of the mechanics of these systems, I fail.

Look, if my build sucked and I died all the time and it took me 5 minutes to kill map bosses, I wouldn't be here.

It doesn't. I clear, I kill fast, I don't die. I might get hit now and then, because that's a thing you can do in this game. I can't beat this stupid content I'm almost 10 levels higher than because I get hit a few times. Not because I die. Because I can't UBERDPS with 40% movespeed. I'm not trying to UBERDPS with 40% movespeed. I'm just trying to progress this specific build, and I can't because this specific build isn't good at Sanctum.

It's shit. It has no place being the gate to get Ascendency points through. It has no reason to be as time consuming and RNG as it is, none of it. Ultimatum too, it's like they took the two WORST POSSIBLE league mechanics for your average build and stuck em in here just to watch us fucking squirm. Sadists.

Usually their sadism is fine. This is just cruel, and is not going to do them any favors. I have played PoE for years, and I'm about to toss it. What a fantastic way to make sure a huge chunk of people who are interested in your game get frustrated away from it.

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vincent_vfx#4010 wrote:

analogy i would make

1. you need to do an ascendancy

2. a window opens up and pacman game starts. you must get a certain score in pacman in order to ascend

so this is what i am trying to say . . . the trials are not related to the rest of the game in any way at all as far as i can tell. it seems really stange that progression is gated behind getting a certain score in pacman.

one idea i could go for is if instead the trials rewarded a guarantee orange item each time of completion. or something like that. i still would not do them, but i do not care if others were getting a reward. and i could still get my ascendancy points in some way that actually made sense.

as far as i know they promised that there will be another way to do ascendancy. i hope it is based on the actual rest of the game and not getting a certain score in mrs. pacman instead of pacman.

There are actually 2 ways to ascend, sekhemas and chaos trials. The 3rd way wil be anotehr type of trial, some think it's gonna be a trials of the ancient league based content. Which is highly probable because the last leagues we had were basically content tests for poe 2.

As to why ti's locked under a trials, it's the same reason you have xp penalty in endgame.

The philosophy of POE isn't that you up your char and then do content, but that your char development is part of the actual content. maxingyour ascendancy is an endgame reward, not a thing you do to get to the endgame.
Same as leveling to 100, it's an endgame goal in itself, you don't max to lv 100 and then do endgame.

It's pretty must about the journey, not the end.

You like it or you don't, but that's how it is.

Level 75 trial shouldn't require level 95+ on average XD. It's called bad game design, try and defend it, but poe1 doing lvl75 content at level 75 was kinda regular XD. Only broken builds destined for nerfs get 4th Ascendancy normal level

I hate the trials in POE2.

The system was much better balanced and doled out much better in POE1.

Which is a nice way of saying just give me a labyrinth and izaro.

Forcing the player to play the crappiest league mechanics....not fun.

It would be different if the final game as 6+ routes to get your points.

But right now they suck and just mean the players are doing the content much much later if not at all.

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ApostuMihai#0296 wrote:

I am running Sekhemas or however you spell it for currency right now with a pretty cheap build (spent at best 3 divs for the whole gear). Might be a bit more expensive now due to inflation (so about 5-6).

Cheap - 3 divs, lol. Most people don't have even one. Cheap is like 1-5exalts per item slot. By the time you reach third trial you barely finish story and enter maps. You don't have even 20 exalts by then.

Right now, well, obviously, the planned third trial isn't available. It's possible that in its original form, the third trial is easier than the current "lvl 65+" version of the Trial of the Sekhemas and/or Trial of Chaos.

Honestly, I don't get why a lvl 45-60 version of the Trial of the Sekhemas or Trial of Chaos do not give the third set of ascendancy points. The 4th trial should be endgame material for sure, but the third one should be "doable" before the end of the current Cruel difficulty and it's very hard unless you're using a busted/meta build and have a lot of high-end gear. And when you're near the end of the trial after being lucky with the RNG lol components, well, the game crashes and you lose everything.