Why POE2’s Direction Is Worrying for Veterans and Newcomers Alike

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sesquipedalias#2884 wrote:

so, there is *one* thing that The Vision interacts with advantageously, and that is power creep: GGG can drip-feed us a gradual speedup over the years, as well as gradually reverting any of The Vision changes such as The Well that people continue to hate, and it will feel that the game is getting faster and overall more fun with each new league, while for some years they'll just be giving us back what we already considered to be fundamentals in poe 1, before they have to enter *real* power-creep territory like poe 1 eventually had to in order to keep people coming back

I wonder how many notables, key nodes, skills, gear and league mechanic from PoE 1 they will drip feed us as "new content" going forward.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Without leagues, Path of Exile wouldn’t even exist as we know it.

Good. Go play those leagues in POE1. We're playing a different game.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Let’s be real: no leagues means no fresh content . . . nothing new to discover

Lies. Removing leagues actually encourages GGG to develop real, novel content as opposed to some lame spinoff.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

but even the “bad” ones bring updates that keep the game alive.

GGG creating novel POE2 content and keeping it updated are both independent of leagues.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Without them, you’d just be stuck running the same boring meta builds forever in a static game world. Sound fun? Didn’t think so.

This is weak, dishonest sophistry. See above: adding to the game world and updating builds isn't bound to a league format.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Also: Ah, yeah, another one of those who’s probably never played PoE seriously—or any ARPG for that matter—but now wants to tell everyone what works and what doesn’t. Do us all a favor and at least learn what you’re talking about before dropping takes like this.

You are a clown.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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sesquipedalias#2884 wrote:

so, there is *one* thing that The Vision interacts with advantageously, and that is power creep: GGG can drip-feed us a gradual speedup over the years, as well as gradually reverting any of The Vision changes such as The Well that people continue to hate, and it will feel that the game is getting faster and overall more fun with each new league, while for some years they'll just be giving us back what we already considered to be fundamentals in poe 1, before they have to enter *real* power-creep territory like poe 1 eventually had to in order to keep people coming back

I wonder how many notables, key nodes, skills, gear and league mechanic from PoE 1 they will drip feed us as "new content" going forward.

years' worth, probably...

OP was right on the money. Newcomer.

It also doesn't increase the money GGG earns from the player. It literally burns you out, not hypes you up on adrenaline. Those times were there but have long since past. The clear times and the map design are horrible and the rewards feel subpar.

I don't understand why newcomers would disagree with veterans opinions? I sort of trust you guys to know what made it addictive.

Out of most of the games I've played recently, burnout happened a lot quicker and I wasn't running to the store to refill my dopamine.

You know when you buy skins is usually when you're standing on that mountain after you sort of "earned" it. I'll be buying a skin every couple decades when I reach my next milestone.

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LeFlesh#9979 wrote:

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Without leagues, Path of Exile wouldn’t even exist as we know it.

Good. Go play those leagues in POE1. We're playing a different game.

No, you are not playing a different game. And if you think PoE as a F2P game will flourish (or even survive) without leagues and additional content every three/four months, you are mistaken.

PoE 2 will be a seasonal game, there's no question about it. So you're not playing a "different game", you're playing "the same game differently", which is perfectly fine.

But I actually want PoE 2 to flourish. I want it to be the best it can be. And for that to happen, it NEED an engaging endgame that people would want to play for hundreds of hours every league. Currently, the games doesn't have that, and not because of "lack of content that will come, just wait", but because of inconvenience and bad game design.

Have no doubt about it, PoE 2 will be measured just like PoE 1; player retention in leagues and the quality of leagues. I hope you understand that this WILL be a seasonal game and that "standard league" will be a low priority. It's not my wish, or Jimmy's wish; it's GGG.

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LeFlesh#9979 wrote:

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Without leagues, Path of Exile wouldn’t even exist as we know it.

Good. Go play those leagues in POE1. We're playing a different game.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Let’s be real: no leagues means no fresh content . . . nothing new to discover

Lies. Removing leagues actually encourages GGG to develop real, novel content as opposed to some lame spinoff.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

but even the “bad” ones bring updates that keep the game alive.

GGG creating novel POE2 content and keeping it updated are both independent of leagues.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Without them, you’d just be stuck running the same boring meta builds forever in a static game world. Sound fun? Didn’t think so.

This is weak, dishonest sophistry. See above: adding to the game world and updating builds isn't bound to a league format.

You do realize that if they delete leagues the game is instantly dead right? Nobody plays standard, its a complete meme. Nobody will want to just play in a bricked economy forever, this ain't some MMO where you can just do that for years.

GGG are clearly intending to run PoE 2 as a seasonal game with leagues, they've already said when the game is fully out they're going back to the 3-month cycle for both games(or 4 whatever) and PoE 1 and 2 leagues will be 2 months apart to allow players that want to play both games on league launch to do so. If you don't like the concept of leagues, this game simply isn't for you.


And this isn't a "different game" lmao it's PoE "2". A sequel. If you haven't been keeping up with content creators and build makers, people have already found builds that break the game,oneshot bosses and clear entire screens. It's PoE 1 gameplay again already only 2 weeks into EA. We're just missing movement skills like Flame Dash.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

without leagues

Yes.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

and additional content every three/four months

No. You are making the same mistake thinking those two things are inexorably bound together. They are entirely independent.

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LeFlesh#9979 wrote:

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

without leagues

Yes.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

and additional content every three/four months

No. You are making the same mistake thinking those two things are inexorably bound together. They are entirely independent.

GGG will be running PoE 2 as a seasonal game with content every 3-4 months. I don't know what else to tell you, that is something that is just never changing. It's their business model.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

You do realize that if they delete leagues the game is instantly dead right?

More F R E S H'r mind-virus posting. Update the game world with actual novel content, not needless character wipes.

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LeFlesh#9979 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

You do realize that if they delete leagues the game is instantly dead right?

More F R E S H'r mind-virus posting. Update the game world with actual novel content, not needless character wipes.

They'll most likely be doing test leagues and resets during EA so yeeeahh.. They did say these characters are staying on Standard in the full game though. So that's something.