Nerf drama is dumb here is my thoughts..

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bachgaman#6713 wrote:

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Draegnarrr#2823 wrote:

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bachgaman#6713 wrote:

By the way, I have a question: why were you all playing this build? Someone mentioned that PoE 2 is better than PoE 1 because there are no pre-made builds from streamers and so on. Did everyone really come up with this build on their own, and it just so happened that it was the one nerfed? Fascinating.

I realise this is tongue in cheek and certainly plenty of players will have gone to see what was hot and played that, or gotten frustrated then done the same (a few friends of mine). However the truth is build options are very limited right now so if you look at the passive tree and the gems then put them together you end up with very similar routes to other players that do the same.

Some archetypes are more limited than others and get railroaded hard

Originally, people with IQ > 100 were telling you that PoE 2 is garbage precisely for this reason. Meanwhile, PoE 2 apologists accused them of being too weak to handle the challenges and create their own builds instead of copying popular ones. The result? A crowd of crying players unable to cope with difficulties because their favorite streamer build got nerfed.

It's not "difficult" how you can't understand? I'm not a newbie to the game, I have some knowledge into ARPGS at all, and POE is my favourite, in which I have more then 2k hours played. It's simple as that, respecing IS FRUSTRATING. That's why I've made my thread. You are telling about some "fav streamers" When I've not even told about one in the main post. I've made it blind through. And now I should farm around 1kk gold to fully respec my tree to RE-BUILD already dead build. That's my concern. Take about "IQ" is weird..

the whole trouble is not about the respec, it's more the nerf that feel too harsh, what force you to respec.

why freeze had soo easy time to get cast on freeze, because freeze are not easy to put a second time on the same target. where shock and ignite can be consume and replace almost instantly in comparaison.

i feel the nerf was not tested and just throw out because they did feel the cast on freeze was too strong and make every other build irelevant. what, in all fairness, was true. but at the same time, they can't fix it... i means it's easy to put ignite and shock on the same target over and over and over, but freeze is... harder and harder at each time. but i digress one more time...

i feel they need to take more time before nerf stuff and when they nerf something they need to offer a full respect for everyone. and they need to stop to nerf after nerf. one thing at the time... if you want to nerf stuff do it in pack. for give time for player to be ready in case they change stuff. some was needing nerf because they was creating stress on the server, fine... but, now they are creating stress on the player by them action what is not good.

Strange title for a nerf drama post

I agree. IMO it's not acceptable, even in early access, to be nerfing builds on the fly at all. Let alone doing it without giving players free passive tree respecs.

This game should have been at the point that most overtuned stuff was fixed in earlier beta versions of the game. I mean they featured cast on freeze + comet in their promo videos for the game. If they couldn't have realized sooner it was overtuned, then I'm sorry but GGG devs are just straight up incompetent. Same goes for supercharged slam + warcry. This is basic stuff to catch very early on.

I think they should just do more frequent wipes during Early Access. This first "season" should be 1 month long. That will give them time to collect data and do a big round of balance changes. Then we can do it again. At least that way everyone has to restart from scratch, not just the unlucky people that picked the Cast on X builds.

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bachgaman#6713 wrote:

. Did everyone really come up with this build on their own, and it just so happened that it was the one nerfed? Fascinating.

It didn't nerf one, specific, build. It nerfed all Cast On X interactions which are fairly popular. Cast on Crit in PoE1 was my favorite build in many cases. Cast on Freeze happened to be the most popular one due to youtubers but also because freeze helps deal with a lot of their lame attempts at monsters body blocking you into a corner or if you got stuck on some map garbage. Even more for Sorcs because they are casters, where being in the face of monsters isn't ideal, so imagine people wanting to mitigate that, crazy.

Couple this with not having gold to respec, and a built incapable of functioning cause comet is the only frost skill that deals damage but has a massive cast timer, players are left with either spend hours farming gold to respec to another build, or make a new character and deal with their slow boring campaign, again. Considering one of the major complaints about PoE1 was having to redo the campaign when it was only 10-15 hours, doubling to possibly tripling that duration based on skill and drops, isn't a winning formula.

It's not surprising to think that a major section of spirit gems that allowed for more skills in the same span were used a lot. Just because you gotta copy builds doesn't mean everyone did.

I actually *wanted* Comet trigger to be nerfed, by like 30-50%. It was triggering too often and running me constantly OOM.

But a 95% nerf dropped out of nowhere and then complete radio silence to the burst of outraged feedback? That's not okay.

I wasn´t following any build guides and ended up on a frostbolt for freeze and cast on freeze comet build because this was for me the most fun. After i got some usefull items my build was playable and i could kill easy normal mobs and bosses were beatable. Every mobpack of 8-10 triggered 1 Comet an got destroyed. Right now i have to run away from any mobpack because comet got no trigger. After the mobs got frozen it´s a pian in the ass to freeze them again.
I´m not a pro and i must say, with this kind of nerf they desrtoed my build for me completely. Since i don´t have the knowledge about this game and also not about PoE1 either i have to follow a build of someone else or respec my complete bulid because this one is usless or, and sadly i think this will be my coice, simply stop playing this EA title. As a casual player this kind of nerves fucks you up when you spend about now 60h in a game having fun and then your build is usless. Just a reminder... D4 did the same stupid thing with the necro minion build and fucked up a ton of players

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page341#3950 wrote:

As a father, I don't have much time to play games, but I still enjoy jumping in occasionally. So, when I invest 40+ hours into building a cool character based on an online guide, carefully following the steps to make it work, only to have the build suddenly nerfed, it’s incredibly frustrating. It’s not just the time lost—it’s the fact that the character feels “bricked.” Respeccing to a new build would take another 15 to 20 hours of farming gold, which is time I simply don’t have.

I bought the supporter pack because I wanted to support the developers for their awesome work, but this experience has left me feeling like I’m wasting my limited gaming time. As much as I love the game and had fun with it, this situation has really soured the experience for me.

For now, I’ve decided to stop playing. Maybe I’ll pick it up again once it’s fully released, but this has been a tough pill to swallow. I understand that GGG likely won’t care since they’ve already made their money, but it’s disappointing to feel left out of the experience due to something as simple as a nerf.

following a build you found somewhere is cucking yourself. prove me wrong.

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