What happened to Chris Wilson?

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

Its funny but its clear that the vast majority of people who play games these days don't get the first thing about game design. Its why so many insist on auction houses and fast travel and eliminating all friction and consequences.

But then you make hundreds of versions of that EXACT GAME they are popular for a brief amount of time and then interest dies like D4, or Lost Arc. Then those non-gamers always end up playing games like POE that were made by people who get game design at least a LOT better than the know nothings who mock "the vision" because they're not knowledgeable enough to understand it. You see this pattern over and over through the years. All the brilliant D3 fans 3 or 4 days after every season, Lost Arc after an expack, D4 seasons its the same pattern. They have no idea what makes a game good, but they're here mocking the vision after having no clue why they quickly lost interest in the games that cater to them, but none the less are for some reason HERE.

Never once wondering why those games which tick every vapid casual gamer check box for them can't hold their attention.

The irony is fantastic.

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

Its why so many insist on auction houses and fast travel and eliminating all friction and consequences.

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Glorfndel01#6465 wrote:

I don't believe he said it in words was the poster's point, but it doesn't matter.

Chris built a successful gaming company in his vision, more or less I'm sure anyway, and then was given the opportunity to cash out in a big way giving him the opportunity to do whatever he wants for the rest of his life.

Whatever happened or will happen after that to PoE will be without Mr. Wilson's input - he's won the only game that matters. Wish him well.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

Its why so many insist on auction houses and fast travel and eliminating all friction and consequences.

times have changed. i find it ironic using fast travel as an example of removing friction.

are you telling me, you've never used the "quit poe to respawn back in town to save a town portal" trick?

have you stopped using townportals entirely and run back to a maps starting area every single time?

are you telling me you've never used a waypoint in POE or refused to use em?

i m pretty sure you have.

if those are examples of bad game design to you, i m glad you're not a game designer.

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

Its funny but its clear that the vast majority of people who play games these days don't get the first thing about game design. Its why so many insist on auction houses and fast travel and eliminating all friction and consequences.

But then you make hundreds of versions of that EXACT GAME they are popular for a brief amount of time and then interest dies like D4, or Lost Arc. Then those non-gamers always end up playing games like POE that were made by people who get game design at least a LOT better than the know nothings who mock "the vision" because they're not knowledgeable enough to understand it. You see this pattern over and over through the years. All the brilliant D3 fans 3 or 4 days after every season, Lost Arc after an expack, D4 seasons its the same pattern. They have no idea what makes a game good, but they're here mocking the vision after having no clue why they quickly lost interest in the games that cater to them, but none the less are for some reason HERE.

Never once wondering why those games which tick every vapid casual gamer check box for them can't hold their attention.

The irony is fantastic.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

times have changed. i find it ironic using fast travel as an example of removing friction.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

its not ironic, nor mysterious. its consumerism. they don't want to enjoy or even play the game, just consume it like any other content. i even suspect more and more people watch streamers and then just want to emulate that, arriving at the same level as the streamer within hours. then move on to something else and consume that, this was even evident in poe1 player retention every league

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

How you gonna try to casually slip Auction Houses in there, lol. Plenty of games with an AH are still successful to this day. WoW is a good example. I don't care if you like it or not. It is a successful game, still, and it still has an AH.

You don't go to the fucking grocery store because you want a social experience with the cashier. I promise you - I PROMISE YOU - not a single person is whispering PoE players for their trade lots, saying to themselves, "I love this. This is a key part of my gaming experience. I love this, and I cannot wait to bond with this player."


It's such a farce.

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

Social aspects aren't the most important reason for friction in a trade system. The main issue is that your game about killing monsters to get their loot becomes about earning a currency to go shoppping. Every AH equipped MMO I've played has always ended up being more efficient to go shopping than play the game. Also every single of of them is filled with credit card min/maxers. Its the reason why people care about SSF. Its clear that core gamers tend to value SSF accomplishments over ones which might be swipped.

And success of a game has nothing to do with it. McDonalds sells the most burgers, does that prove their burgers are the most well made and delicious?

The real question highlighted by the irony I pointed out is:

Why are you not playing a game with an AH and instead of playing a game created with "vision"?

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And success of a game has nothing to do with it. McDonalds sells the most burgers, does that prove their burgers are the most well made and delicious?

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

Show me a picture of the last good yellow item you've ID scrolled, lol.

Funny how the whole thing collapses based on this challenge, right?

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ShadyC#1006 wrote:

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And success of a game has nothing to do with it. McDonalds sells the most burgers, does that prove their burgers are the most well made and delicious?

Preemptive double standard, by the way. Because we both know that if I called PoE a bad game, you would say that it evidently is not, due to its ongoing market success.