recomb help - clueless

hi
i have two swords, each with different tier 1 prefix and also two suffixes

how do i recomb this ´safely´

i dont care about suffixes i just want two tier 1 prefixes on two swords so i could craft a triple tier 1 prefixes

thanx

ps: i cant afford many bases...heist sword. ssf

Guide: https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1exyavx/325_updated_guide_to_recombinators/
Wiki: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Recombinator

Im assuming those 2 prefixes are not "exclusive" mods. See guide for explanation.
If both desired prefixes are exclusive mods then you cant recombine them. If one of those desired prefixes is an exclusvie mod then you have much worse odds and should use a different method than the following one.

If neither of the desired prefixes is an exclusive mod then doing multimod + 2x exclusive crafted prefix on both is the "gold standard".

Safest is to first remove the suffixes though. "Exclusive" suffixes dont need to be removed. If you do not remove the (non-exclusive) suffixes first then you have slightly lower chance to succeed (~83%, didnt math it properly) and the risk that you end up with 3 non-crafted suffixes.

If you do remove suffixes first then you have ~86% chance to succeed. Meaning there is ~14% chance to lose one of the prefixes.

Note that those 2 crafted prefixes on both items ABSOLUTELY MUST BE EXCLUSIVE mods. The whole scheme fails miserably if they are not.

what do i do if i have two desired prefixes on both weapons with some suffixes
thanx

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xfiendmate wrote:

what do i do if i have two desired prefixes on both weapons with some suffixes
thanx

There is no good/safe way to turn 2x2 prefixes into 3 prefixes. Best case without using influence mods is probably using the same method as described above - like:

1. Clean suffixes so that there remains in sum at most 1 non-exclusive suffix.
2. Multimod both weapons with 1 exculsive suffix & 1 exclusive prefix. Edit: If you have no non-exclusive suffixes on either weapon then do not add a crafted suffix - just multimod+exclusive-prefix.
3. Recombine & hope.

If the prefixes do not overlap then odds of success (3 desired prefixes) are likely ~42%.
If the prefixes do overlap (prefix from same group on both weapons) then I dont know the odds as I dont know the exact rules, the odds are probably somewhat worse then, maybe ~39% (guess, not math).
Worst outcome is to end up with only one desired prefix. Maybe ~9% chance of that happening.
Otherwise (~50% chance) you end up with 2 desired prefixes.

Whether the method described above is worth it from a cost perspective over one without using multimod I cant answer. Without adding exclusive mods you have a base 30% chance to succeed.
From cost perspective you can also consider just adding one exclusive mod as prefix and one as suffix. If thats better or worse than the 30% base chance likely depends on the other suffixes and whether the prefixes overlap or not.

Whether cleaning suffixes is worth it from a cost perspective I cant answer though.

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If you want to get 3 desired prefixes its likely better (more efficient) to combine 2x desired prefix with 1x desired prefix with the above method. This should have ~37% chance to succeed.
Edit 2: You need to have 3 exclusive and 3 desired prefixes for this to get the ~37% chance to succeed. In addition to 2+ (guaranteed to pick one) exclusive suffixes.

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Disclaimer: I dont know the exact rules so the method and odds may be off.
If the desired prefixes are unlikely to be chosen then the odds will fall down to the baseline like ~42%/~37% become ~35%.
Im also assuming you have fully upgraded recombinator in town. Supposedly this helps against the discrimination of rare affixes but I dont have actual numbers.


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Edit 2: added above for clarification "Edit 2: You need to have 3 exclusive and 3 desired prefixes for this to get the ~37% chance to succeed. In addition to 2+ (guaranteed to pick one) exclusive suffixes."

Also: If your primary goal is to minimize the number of good bases then it may be better to recombine 1p good base with 2p bad base instead of recombining 1p good base with 1p good base. You would also use above method for filling prefixes with exclusive mods and having exclusive suffixes if you do that.

i thought i have to have two weapons with two desired prefixes, one crafted prefixed on each and than bash them together and hope.

say lightning, fire plus crafted penetration
lightning, cold plus crafted gain phys as chaos

wish i could experiment...but resources

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xfiendmate wrote:

i thought i have to have two weapons with two desired prefixes, one crafted prefixed on each and than bash them together and hope.

say lightning, fire plus crafted penetration
lightning, cold plus crafted gain phys as chaos

This is not good. You need to have exclusive mod/s on suffixes. Otherwise you are better off without the crafted prefixes. If you are short on Divines then simply adding together those 2 without the crafted prefixes gives you a 30% chance to get 3 desired prefixes. If you have 3+ suffixes also be aware that you may end up with 3 suffixes which may brick it.

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xfiendmate wrote:

wish i could experiment...but resources

You can experiment with cheap bases just to get a practical perspective.

i got it

this is what ive done:
sword no1: tier1 cold, tier1 fire, strength, multimod - bench crafted penenetration and str/dex crit chance
no2: tier1 lightning, 40 cold res, multimod - gain phys as chaos, penetration

the result is triple tier one, multimod and a 40 cold res.

thanx for help. appreciate it.

i think i just got lucky. my head is spinning from all of this...

cant say i like this recomb alt spaming meta

I'm still sorta clueless.

I want to add the hybrid T1/T2 flat AR/EV prefix on this chest:

I have numerious items with the desired mod (rare ones, with 4-6 mods), and also a lot worries about the result and how to, don't want to loose/brick the item.

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xfiendmate wrote:

i got it

this is what ive done:
sword no1: tier1 cold, tier1 fire, strength, multimod - bench crafted penenetration and str/dex crit chance
no2: tier1 lightning, 40 cold res, multimod - gain phys as chaos, penetration

This was the "gold standard" approach. Only slightly off from best possible results which would have been much more expensive.

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xfiendmate wrote:

thanx for help. appreciate it.

np

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xfiendmate wrote:

i think i just got lucky.

Yes, lucky. Odds for 3x prefix simply arent very good even if you shift them the right way.