Chris Wilson is a genius who couldn't...

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Sadaukar wrote:

All their threads are very weird and confusing.

And if you live to be 76, we'll see how you speak a foreign language (I'll have to correct the auto-translation) - Plus, I can file a complaint against you for age discrimination.

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Belegur85 wrote:

What is your native language OP? I think it's possible you have some nuanced thoughts and the translator is struggling with the language barrier. Alternatively this is generated text based off prompt input. DeepL sounds like it is extrapolating based on some AI learning model. I agree with Sadaukar that while your post generally make partial sense, they have a lot of wording in them that makes them hard to understand. If the translator you are using is using some sort of "intelligence algorithm", using a more basic direct translation might make your post easier for the reader to understand. It's possible that it is just not and easy language to translate between. Apologies if I am being rude in any way. It just sounds like we are responding to AI.

Thanks for the polite comment - I'll try to simplify my native language before auto-translation

I don't think Sadaukar is trying to be rude either. I know them to be a very helpful person on the forum. I think they are just trying to help me with my confusion of separating the ideas of your post from what may be generated by the translator. Any friction has been caused by me, I will also try to be a bit more polite.

You have a particular way of speaking, I don't mean that you should need to change that, just that maybe the translation application is not capable of converting it completely. It could be also that the English language does not have a good literal translation for some idea's or phrases in your native language, and they are coming across not exactly as intended. As may also be the case when translating our message to your language. I've notice that AI seems to want to add in it's own words sometimes, rather than a literal translation from an application that just translates directly, which is why I think at least until the technology is improved it will cause some level of confusion.

This section of the forum is generally for more specific technical advice, which is why I suggest https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/general-discussion for talking about more broad topics like you have. Or even feedback and suggestions, because I think you are suggesting some things that you think might improve the game https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/feedback . I'm not an authority on that, I just think that is where the post would be more suitable.

I think the general gist of your post is that you think the game is so advanced in mechanical aspects that it is hard for them to improve it further in that aspect and they would get more overall improvement by focusing on other areas. I think there is some truth in that.

Yup, sure you invented cluster jewels.

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Belegur85 wrote:

This section of the forum is generally for more specific technical advice, which is why I suggest https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/general-discussion for talking about more broad topics like you have. Or even feedback and suggestions, because I think you are suggesting some things that you think might improve the game https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/feedback . I'm not an authority on that, I just think that is where the post would be more suitable.

I think the general gist of your post is that you think the game is so advanced in mechanical aspects that it is hard for them to improve it further in that aspect and they would get more overall improvement by focusing on other areas. I think there is some truth in that.

"This section of the forum is g"

May be you are right but my posts have been moved in the past from some parts of the forum to suggestion part. But it should be noted that the forum is monitored by the moderators and they - WHY - THEN did not find it necessary to move this topic. After all, it is the moderators' responsibility.



But it should be noted: IF YOU PUBLICIZE IN SUGGESTION PART THERE IS NO ANSWER AT ALL. PERHAPS SUBCONSCIOUSLY I FELT THIS AND POSTED IT HERE :))))


At one time we conducted polls on youtube among video bloggers with the question: when you return to the game?????????.
and the most popular answer was: when a new skill is released. And the new skill is respectively a new multimedia effect (sound, animation )
But you need to realize that to make a new skill must develop new mechanics (which is already a lot and combine it with the existing ones) and still special effect to do

Therefore - one of our articles we wrote that as a balancing solution will simply make a new MTX that on the one hand to decorate the game and on the other hand will create the effect of a new skill because it will look and act differently.
*** Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) ***

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imanubcake wrote:

Yup, sure you invented cluster jewels.

My favorite grandson has the same behavior

Unless my knowledge is obsolete, DeepL (released in 2017, relatively early in the current neural network craze) is as good as translators go (might depend on language pair ??).

Inserting words is kind of inevitable during translation : a great translator will try to translate the overall meaning rather than just word by word, sometimes completely changing whole paragraphs (whether machines are good enough at that is another issue...)

EDIT : On to the topic itself :
I've recently watched 2011-2012 previews of PoE1 by Total Biscuit (R.I.P.), and he does mention being impressed by both the graphics (for an indie game, though PoE1 did also get around that time an enormously popular pre-launch crowdfunding campaign gathering $2.5M in funding !!) and aesthetics / mood :
WTF Is... - Path of Exile ? — 5 Sept 2011
Path of Exile - Exclusive Shadow Class Footage & Update — 8 May 2012
Path of Exile - End-Game Dungeons — 20 Jul 2012
(Complete with Global chat and for the last one, teaming up with Chris Wilson, lead designer of PoE1, in maps.)
(Apologies for linking to YouTube.)

Also, due to the period, mandatory comparisons to Diablo 3's and Torchlights' less dark aesthetics.

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Sadaukar wrote:

All their threads are very weird and confusing.

And if you live to be 76, we'll see how you speak a foreign language (I'll have to correct the auto-translation) - Plus, I can file a complaint against you for age discrimination.

In no way did I try to offend u. I explicitly stated "might" which implicates that it's maybe not the case. Also I said "not sure" which aswell is something u write if u don't want to accuse anyone of anything.

I'm writing in a foreign language myself, but I'm not 76. I'd like to talk to u about that when I am, but I think that will be difficult at that time.

Anyway, I still don't understand ur threads and suggestions, which is why I won't respond anymore. I wish u all the best tho :)

Yeah. The point I'm getting at is there is a big difference between a translator that is attempting to translate the message as close to the original message as possible and one that is trained to "improve" the message. If the original post is not grammatically correct, a direct translation should also convey this. If you look over my post on the forum, they will often contain poor English. If the translation attempts to change the wording, or the tone or any substance of the message, at some point you are no longer reading what I have written, but rather reading what an algorithm has be programed to say, or some sort of hybrid between the original thought and the algorithm. The "learning" in these programs refers to making logical leaps and assumption, which may or may not be correct.

It may well be that this program is very good at what it is programmed to do, and that the translation is extremely close to the OP. Languages don't transfer word for word, but if it is not attempting to get as close to the original message as possible I don't think it is translating, it's then going beyond translation. I would be interested to compare the original messages of OP, with translation from the learning algorithm and translation from a more basic translator.

Sadaukar did touch on a valid point earlier. He is not claiming anyone to be a troll, just that the reader has no way of knowing which one of a whole range of possible criteria they are reading. In many situations, it wont matter. However, from my understanding, the majority of people providing help on the gameplay forum are trying to offer help to other players. If it gets to a point where the helper is unsure if they are conversing with someone trying to intentionally waste their time, or an artificial construct, they are probably going to be less willing to participate in providing that help. If you've ever played a MOBA game, you likely have encountered something similar to this.

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EDIT : On to the topic itself :
I've recently watched 2011-2012 previews of PoE1 by Total Biscuit (R.I.P.), and he does mention being impressed by both the graphics (for an indie game, though PoE1 did also get around that time an enormously popular pre-launch crowdfunding campaign gathering $2.5M in funding !!) and aesthetics / mood :

I will say that since reading this thread I've actually paid more attention to the graphics and how much I like them. I'm playing through act 7 vaal city and think they are good, it's easy on the eyes. There is a certain charm to them and and I think they are holding up quite well.

What is even happening in this thread