I think Kalguur settlers...

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Phrazz wrote:
Wraeclast is a shithole and Kalguur could probably just colonize it and enslave everyone, yet in Kingsmarch every gets payed.



Yeah but we dont know if they werent somwhere else before. Like where from Sasan comes? Not Oriath for sure.

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tsunamikun wrote:

1. Yes ransoming was a standard procedure, not just the crew, but also the ship itself.

2. Well The english called the spanish privateers pirates and vice versa... so i don't know about propaganda, it was just normal? and yes, both where pirates, jsut state sanctioned ones. Doesn't make them better or worse.

3. Queen > Admiral, but she was still only the latter one, or did she have a Queendom?(why isn't that a word by now?^)


Ad2. By "propaganda" i mean that one side is presenting itself as "Right One". Just as Kalguur to us. We ally with them, we help with their plans but we dont know those plans. Maby they are not so good as one might think?

Ad3. Sure but not that is the point. The point is they used different titles than "admiral". Even infamous Captain Flint was Captain. ;)

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But just because a Pirate calls himself an Admiral, it doesn't mean he holds an office, was promoted, or even commands more than one ship.


Agree but its not the point. The poin is that it might looks like some organised force is opposing settlers.

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I did want to touch on this, because if I'm reading it correctly, you're claiming pirates despite organizational structures and titles. And that's just wrong. Pirates had some of the best support structures of any ships or navy's in their eras, with clear cut rules on how loot is handed out, many had health insurance (so if you got hurt on the job, the ship helped pay for a doctor and a peg leg, and tried to shift your duties to something you can still do, rather than just toss you off), codes and trial rights and even limits of power imposed on their captains to reduce abuse of power.


They all were bandits. Just that. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like modern crime organizations.


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While of course each ships going to be a bit different, and you can't really say "All pirates operated in the same way", but to think that a ship that's at sea for months at a time despised order and rules and systems is just crazy talk. Ships just cannot operate like that, it needed to know who's on the boarding party, who makes the ropes and repairs the wood, who's on watch when, who preps cannon charges and cleans the decks and who's cooking what, when, because that food has got to last. Some ships even had pretty strict rules on being drunk on the job (note, most people, pirate or not, where a little drunk on the job in these calmer times, typically these where like 'don't get blackout drunk' type rules). Because, you had a job to be doing and if you couldn't get it done, or drank all the booze, there was going to be a problem. Seriously if you've never really looked into real historical pirate stuff, I really suggest it, there's a lot of cool stuff there, between old pirates and privateers from the 1850s and prior. This isn't to like, say pirates are actually good people, obviously theft, kidnapping, and murder are pretty high up on their 'things they do.


More arguments for organised force behind it. Not just random unluck.

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Well they tried that once already ages ago and it didn't work out great. Though Settlers seems to indicate history is about to repeat itself. But with the beast out of the picture, and a lot of the problems of Wraeclast at least a little settled, it might go better this time. But with a new game looming, I assume another world ending situation is just over the horizon. But maybe we will see some Kalguur towns cropping up, be interesting to see old Kalguur druids running around, and an entire fantasy nation who've never been introduced to the idea of divinity coming to terms with the concept.


Kingsmarch will be Act 1 town in PoE2. So we will see what role Kalguur will play in all of that. But i think it will be not nice picture and we help to build it.
Last edited by de99ial on Oct 3, 2024, 8:50:40 AM

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