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Fine as is, and t17s became braindead easy this league.

Learn to play or learn to farm? T17 are not necessary for currency generation, they are also not that hard now. This was their 2nd nerf in a row? Don't know what more you want

It's a mindset thing for most ppls. If u see someone on stream giga juicing t17s with a multi mirror molten strike of zenith build, don't think you are entitled to do the same^^

You could just be disciplined and roll your maps very easy and use cheap but ok scarabs and swim in gold and enjoy a div drop or a valdos drop here and there while accumulating fragments...First ten maps i completed like 3 with boss, now i am on a roll and completed like 25ish in a row without boss wipe, because i learned how to roll them. My maps don't have the highest stats but i have a smooth gameplay experience and that's worth a lot to me :)

From my observation, it is also proven by now that even the most expensive scarabs are still profitable in a dedicated t16 juicing strategy.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

This is neither about juicing or just T17s, or envy or whatever. I don't even watch other people. This is about map mods and how they are all detrimental. Just because something is passable in its current state, doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Look at all the current mods and show me just 1 (outside of Synth maps) that is a net positive.

It used to be "Sea Witches and their Spawn", but GGG has since heavily buffed the Act mobs and thus also the map variant, where this is no longer a net positive in the way it was. Same goes for Goatmen. They are still rippy as hell, even after their Molten Shell was already nerfed once after the buffs.

well, you roll for high currency, high chance of scarabs, some people want high rarity + high packsize. Even though they are not technically map mods, they are characteristics of the map, which you have to roll, that are net positive.

Get a char with decent ehp and don't be stingy with your chaos orbs and you are fine. And even if every 4th map is a brick, you would still make profit, althoug that might be frustrating so better waste some more chaos orbs...

Map mods are clearly not just detrimental. Every single one comes with a combination of increases to quantity, rarity, packsize and in T17s also currency, scarabs and maps.
If they were just detrimental, players would run T1-T16s without any modifiers.

I agree that we need a broader selection of map mods after the removal of so many modifiers as it made some of them almost mandatory again because of their rewards but they don't need to be more beneficial than they already are.

I feel like a lot of players are scared that if beneficial mods exist it would muck up their quant and loot. Map mods just aren't interesting.

What I want is GGG to remove regex and make it so we don't want to use it. That whatever system they come up with is so well thought out and designed bricks are immediately obvious.

But what we have now is a jumbled mess that is difficult to read, and you have to do a lot of napkin math with your mod effect.

I think that trying to paint mapping as a false dilemma and then trying to copy another game with a mechanic that fundamentally doesn't work any differently than altars will somehow fix T17 is... weird?

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

they don't need to be more beneficial than they already are.

Says who? Why does everything have to suck so you feel forced to make it suck less? Why can't something just be good? I surely would feel better if I rolled "Cannot take Reflected Damage" rather than "Contains Drowning Orbs" after a dozen Chaos Orbs.

Says the risk vs. reward concept the entire game is built on.

Asking for more interesting modifiers is a completely reasonable critique but wanting to be rewarded for having an easier time than the baseline of difficulty is how you get players to go back to running 2k life deadeyes.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

Asking for more interesting modifiers is a completely reasonable critique but wanting to be rewarded for having an easier time than the baseline of difficulty is how you get players to go back to running 2k life deadeyes.

Who said anything about rewards? You are putting words in my mouth.

By the way, this type of stuff already exists to some degree, in the form of the Atlas tree. You can spec into a node that makes monsters have more life but they deal less damage. That shows the concept works.

Besides, rolling the maps for an easier time is precisely that: a currency sink. Don't forget that adding more mods to the pool drastically changes the overall spawn rate. So, if I, say, wanted to spend 100c on a specific map to make it fun to run, what's wrong with that?

I think the problem with that is, that everyone else has to use 100 more chaos to roll their maps aswell, because the "beneficial" mods dilude the pool.

Imo it shouldn't be a map mod, but rather a Scarab. If u want a fun map with some extra buffs, it should be a scarab like "bisection", but maybe with a certain penalty like -rarity or quantity. U can have ur fun maps, but get less then others, so it will not become mandatory to run.

Otherwise Scarlet is pretty spot on, PoE is build upon Risk and Reward. U want less risk/challenge, u will get less rewards.