Please dont make the same mistake in poe 2.

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

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anti4z500 wrote:

you can get mirrors/mg/hh hit lvl 100 and kill ubers without tft and berly using trade site . so almost all complains about tft is worthless

yea and you can do it in 200 hours or 20 hours... I dont think you get the whole idea and you use this argument of yours like you are in a vacuum with no other options and its purely and objectively wrong

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not rly. it just shows that TFT is not mandatory thats all

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again neither is playing with your hands or using loot filter but i wonder why most people do....

for convenience for sure. but its still is not mandatory to use it. yes you will not see a ground without filter but still not mandatory.

TFT feeds ppl with things thats was not intended to trade in a first place.

but still you can argue about trade site/ in game trade upgrades to make trade better experience thats for sure. and we all agree with that. but ppl keep arguing that TFT is mandatory when that simple not true.

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anti4z500 wrote:

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

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anti4z500 wrote:

you can get mirrors/mg/hh hit lvl 100 and kill ubers without tft and berly using trade site . so almost all complains about tft is worthless

yea and you can do it in 200 hours or 20 hours... I dont think you get the whole idea and you use this argument of yours like you are in a vacuum with no other options and its purely and objectively wrong

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not rly. it just shows that TFT is not mandatory thats all

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again neither is playing with your hands or using loot filter but i wonder why most people do....

for convenience for sure. but its still is not mandatory to use it. yes you will not see a ground without filter but still not mandatory.

TFT feeds ppl with things thats was not intended to trade in a first place.

but still you can argue about trade site/ in game trade upgrades to make trade better experience thats for sure. and we all agree with that. but ppl keep arguing that TFT is mandatory when that simple not true.

Play with your feet then prove it isnt mandatory

what makes you think that its impossible to play with feet. it will suck and will be bad. but still possible.
and your arguments went in a weird place. but you like what you like i guess

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

Play with your feet then prove it isnt mandatory

Playing without using hands and without loot filter is not the intended way. Playing without TFT on the other hand is.

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kuciol wrote:

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

Play with your feet then prove it isnt mandatory

Playing without using hands and without loot filter is not the intended way. Playing without TFT on the other hand is.

but the game is literally set up in a way that it thrives with the use of 3rd party like tft? the exact same way its better to play with hands to a point where it is mandatory or else the game is just bad without it. and this goes without saying about the few exceptions of being a streamer and even then most streamers use 3rd party [Removed by Support]

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

but the game is literally set up in a way that it thrives with the use of 3rd party like tft? the exact same way its better to play with hands to a point where it is mandatory or else the game is just bad without it. and this goes without saying about the few exceptions of being a streamer and even then most streamers use 3rd party [Removed by Support]

No its not mandatory, vast majority of players dont even know what tft is. Ive seen plenty of people asking about that in youtube coments. I wouldnt know either if i wasnt on the forums from time to time. You can even argue that game is setup so that RMT thrives, should we sanction it on that behalf? Your arguments are just poor. Ive never, even once used discord for anything you know. The game is perfectly playable without it. Its perfectly playable even on SSF. Your hyperbolic arguments just make you look childish. Your examples are not comparable in the slightest. What GGG should do is remove the things that were never meant to be tradeable, not make it more convinient.

TFT was created because players are greedy and lazy. They want easy access to everything, even things that were never meant to be traded to begin with. Thats were the problem lies, not how the game is set up.

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Gopstop22 wrote:

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No, you are not. Im was making 20 div/h thanks to lazy people like you.

i made around 20-25 divines per hour without mf gears so yes i did and again you call
"lazy" people who dont want to sit in hideout 24/7 trading nonstop instead of actually playing the game il just assume at this point you just trolling

I think you forgot to count how much you spent/h on mapping (or w/e you were doing) because there is no way in hell you were making 25div/h PROFIT.
Best money strat this league, which was boss rushing with super fast build was making around 15.

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Gopstop22 wrote:

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No, you are not. Im was making 20 div/h thanks to lazy people like you.

i made around 20-25 divines per hour without mf gears so yes i did and again you call
"lazy" people who dont want to sit in hideout 24/7 trading nonstop instead of actually playing the game il just assume at this point you just trolling

I think you forgot to count how much you spent/h on mapping (or w/e you were doing) because there is no way in hell you were making 25div/h PROFIT.
Best money strat this league, which was boss rushing with super fast build was making around 15.

i think you forgot what lazy means

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

its just a game why not make QOL trade in poe that would gut unchecked power 3rd party apps.... literally every argument you made is nonsense and has no value sorry. AGAIN almost everything you said isnt Moderated by 3rd party lets say i want to make a guild and make friends to join whats stopping me? NOT a power trip mod that doesnt like my PFP or NOT a full ticket system that i have no control over.... you have no clue what you are even arguing and its sad...

youre not rly following what im saying.


if you start a guild and invite your friends there is no 3rd party moderator stopping you, yes, that is correct. but then you become the 3rd party moderator. who can join your guild? only people YOU allow. so it is still a 3rd party moderated situation.







the game is balanced the way they want it balanced. as people have pointed out, the vast majority of players even in a trade league dont trade therefor they dont want trade to be too easy. its in the manifesto and the logic is fairly sound.





no matter what they do there will always be a massive advantage to be had by players working together and players are the 3rd parties.


its a multiplayer game with a trade economy and a long learning curve. people using interactions with other players to gain advantage is fundamental to the entire idea of the game. you keep saying 3rd party, but its other players. tft is a discord created by a player, what goes on there is players interacting with players.



if you want things from other players in order to skip getting them yourself then you have to interact with other players. so go interact with them, join the guilds and the discords and do what it takes. you keep saying you dont want to interact with stuff like discord but your entire point is based around wanting what other players have and the people on discord are those other players.

ggg cant facilitate and police every player interaction to an 'official guarantee' level, that should be obvious, and they dont want to make trade any more powerful than it currently is because that would have a significantly negative impact on game balance.

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

i know its hard to let go of that rep you farmed but use your brain please

i dont use tft, im not against it i just dont need it. i have it on my discord and ive sold enough harvests on there when that was a thing to have a certain level of rep but ive never bought anything from anyone there and i havent used it since they removed harvest years ago. im perfectly capable of making mirrors on standard league when i want them by myself without any interaction with a guild, a discord or a 3rd party ap.

what do i do if i need something from betrayal and im not running betrayal? i start running betrayal.

i know, the horror of actually playing the game and not just instantly having everything. its almost like when i load poe i actually want to play it.






maybe ud be happier if you just played it and enjoyed playing it? what are you trying to skip ahead to? theres nothing there, its just more of the game, it never ends.

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anti4z500 wrote:

you can get mirrors/mg/hh hit lvl 100 and kill ubers without tft and berly using trade site . so almost all complains about tft is worthless

yea you can buy a lamborghini by working at mcdonalds too, if you wait long enough. and we're not complaining about tft, I'm glad it exists

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kuciol wrote:

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TheKeeperOfMorte wrote:

but the game is literally set up in a way that it thrives with the use of 3rd party like tft? the exact same way its better to play with hands to a point where it is mandatory or else the game is just bad without it. and this goes without saying about the few exceptions of being a streamer and even then most streamers use 3rd party [Removed by Support]

No its not mandatory, vast majority of players dont even know what tft is. Ive seen plenty of people asking about that in youtube coments. I wouldnt know either if i wasnt on the forums from time to time. You can even argue that game is setup so that RMT thrives, should we sanction it on that behalf? Your arguments are just poor. Ive never, even once used discord for anything you know. The game is perfectly playable without it. Its perfectly playable even on SSF. Your hyperbolic arguments just make you look childish. Your examples are not comparable in the slightest. What GGG should do is remove the things that were never meant to be tradeable, not make it more convinient.

TFT was created because players are greedy and lazy. They want easy access to everything, even things that were never meant to be traded to begin with. Thats were the problem lies, not how the game is set up.

because the vast majority are just casuals who barely make it to red maps, and don't have anything to do with anything tft does for you? these arguments don't even make any sense. for me tft is mandatory, I use almost all of the services provided there and also provide services for other players whenever I can, it gets rid of the part of the game that feels like a chore to do