Do not use awakened poe trade

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Smoothy88 wrote:

I believe using awakened trade is a grey area. I once asked GGG about it and they advised they are against using any programs that interact with the game client to provide an advantage over other players

A generic answer that prevents them from being in a situation where they have said that it was ok and then the program changed into something that is not ok.

Which is what happened to poetrade once, it was generally OK to use, no issue for quite a long while BUT after an update from the creator it ended up being used by a few people to essentially DDoS the trade api and harmed the player experience while trying to trade...it did result in bans, 99% of which were lifted very quickly and there were something like 5 accounts that were perma banned due to altering how the addon worked (via a change in the program when it was updated)

Since then the tool was fixed to not allow that behaviour and tens of thousands of people have been using it for years. it has not resulted in a ban since and GGG will give you an answer that amounts to not recommending you use any addon (because shit can, and has happened)

TO BE CLEAR, the only reason this is constantly brought up with "my account was banned" threads is because those people are trying to misdirect you and GGG into thinking it is a false positive with an addon that had, once upon a time got a few people banned.

This is in the same boat as people claiming that "their friend/family member" got banned, no reason...they are buzz phrases that, to me, shout deserved ban.

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Qd0t wrote:

why not email GGG yourself and find out the truth? (is this tool is ok with ToS?)

because while tens of thousands of people have used it over the years there are not tens of thousands of bans related to this.

And as a general rule of thumb they will give the very generic answer of "we do not recommend you use it", that is not them saying DO NOT USE THIS it will get you banned.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

that is not them saying DO NOT USE THIS it will get you banned.

it is also not saying the opposite. in fact they will tell you openly that use of ANY 3rd party tool that gives advantage is against ToS and is bannable, this is also in the ToS. no wonder they ignore feedback/don't interact here when such a large percent don't take no for an answer and feel so entitled. i don't even think this is isolated to this matter neither.

I don't know if you're just new or if you're actually as thick as you're coming across, but AHK macros of various persuasions are part of PoE and have been as long as PoE has existed.

Nobody actually cares about your opinion, it doesn't represent the reality of the situation. Logout macros are massively ubiquitous and PoE trade macro has been around in one form or another and openly used and discussed since closed beta. If GGG were to start actively policing these types of macros without first announcing it, it would cause a shit-storm of epic proportions.

You quoting the ToS and claiming people are "entitled" is completely irrelevant to reality. It's in the ToS so you are literally correct that they can ban you at any minute for any reason, but they can do that anyway. It is completely against their own self-interest to randomly ban people for using a tool that has improved the game for as long as it has existed, pretending like they are going to just start doing it is irrational.

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The year is almost 2024 and they still havent come forward with what and what isnt okay to use? (dont even think in telling me about the 1 action bs) that alone should tell you alot at this point if you have been here for years..

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Xyel wrote:

Sounds like the classical case of, something along the lines of, 'So, I've made a script that uses awakened PoE trade to make me an updated spreadsheet of all prices I care about, sending a hundred requests to trade every few seconds'... gets banned.... 'I got banned for using awakened poe trade'

pretty bad take on accusing someone of something they not might've done
you actually understand that its this fuel people need to start a riot against someone? and its exactly the reason why people getting trashed and cancel'd
stop this

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Qd0t wrote:

yet again i'm impressed.

"but AHK macros of various persuasions are part of PoE and have been as long as PoE has existed"
clearly bannable by most games. again read ToS.

And? GGG made the game the way it is, GGG have tacitly allowed them by virtue of leaving their use untouched since the inception of the game. We know it, they know it.. apparently you don't know it?

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"Nobody actually cares about your opinion"
you must of, you wrote this whole thing.

That's not how this works; it's never correct when people say that. I care about other people enjoying the game and using the tools available, rather than being put off or scared by the nonsense you're typing. Nobody cares about your opinion on what reality is, when it doesn't line up with reality.

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"It is completely against their own self-interest to randomly ban people for using a tool that has improved the game for as long as it has existed"
here you are half right. they don't ban anyone randomly, but yes its not in their best interest to ban significant percent of player base because they can't adhere to ToS. I can see how they had to design the game around player 'wants' in order to develop it form the ground. but I'm glad they secured the funding to develop a separate game that they will make how they want to make it, instead of dealing with this mess.

They made PoE how they wanted to - if you think there won't be logout macros and trade macros in PoE2 I've got a bridge I can sell you. They are products of the design choices of GGG, not things that exist out of nowhere.

PoE Trade Macro and Awakened PoE Trade were created because GGG believes in trade as a point of friction and most players don't; ergo, players will uniformly get around the problem (in ways that are allowed and enabled by GGG by virtue of allowing the information to be made readily available to the script and via the API). GGG believes in immediate 1-shot death mechanics in a game on the internet where uncertainty of performance is a thing, so people get around it with logout macros, which GGG has enabled by leaving the game allowing you to immediately log out and removing the character from the game, despite the large number of ways they could stop that from occurring.

GGG could immediately and irrevocably remove the capacity for every such tool to function instantly with essentially no other change to the game, but they don't, because they understand the function that those tools perform in the game. The same exact things will be true of PoE2, because GGG hasn't changed their mind or their stances; if anything, they will become even more prevalent.

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Xyel wrote:

Sounds like the classical case of, something along the lines of, 'So, I've made a script that uses awakened PoE trade to make me an updated spreadsheet of all prices I care about, sending a hundred requests to trade every few seconds'... gets banned.... 'I got banned for using awakened poe trade'

pretty bad take on accusing someone of something they not might've done
you actually understand that its this fuel people need to start a riot against someone? and its exactly the reason why people getting trashed and cancel'd
stop this

its an easier path than acceptance of the reality. There is no motive for OP to lie since its a warning and not a plea to 'unban'. denial man, its helluva drug

People create such threads with regular occurrence. The denial is by the OP, believing that whatever extracurricular activity they were doing secondary to trade macro wasn't the issue and instead blaming it on a script that a large percentage of the player base uses, including most streamers visibly.