widescreen resolution removed from the game.

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Echothesis wrote:

This doesn't necessarily mean their absolute dps would be highest possible in the game.

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Echothesis wrote:

And if you have overwhelming ranged dps, it will allow stable deathless gameplay regardless of whether you are paper or tanky. This is what final conclusion meant.

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Echothesis wrote:

This point cannot be proved or disproved without PoE telemetry data.

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Echothesis wrote:

Imo QoL is worth the development costs, you may disagree.

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Echothesis wrote:

However, this specific bit of QoL also doubles as a bridge to actual melee/ranged balancing, which brings us to your second point of "at worst gives an advantage to mostly ranged builds". Skills like TR or TS shouldn't have infinite targeting range even without black bars. TS arrows should burst into secondary when traveling far enough, other ranged skills limited in their own ways. At the same time, suggestions on buffs to melee skills were formulated by more knowledgeable players in other threads.

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Echothesis wrote:

While never had 5-way KB build myself, seen it in action, as well as ranger builds made by my friends in party. With my lesser range build I wasn't able to hit a single mob if I wanted to, everything was already dead before appearing on screen as we walked.

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Echothesis wrote:

If GGG doesn't care about even trying said balancing, you would be correct, slamming bars remains the "best" option cost-wise. Or they could keep original bit of QoL from extra visisbility and fix a major aspect of the game at the same time, with extra work. Imo the idea is worth trolling GGG about.

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tackle70 wrote:

1) We've been over this. The game is by definition not competitive in it's main modes. Calling a rose by another name doesn't change that it's a rose. Nobody here is in favor of 32:9 for the competitive modes (PvP, racing). PoE is exactly as competitive as Skyrim and Solitaire.


1 year, 296 days

Fix it

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Dozer72 wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

1) We've been over this. The game is by definition not competitive in it's main modes. Calling a rose by another name doesn't change that it's a rose. Nobody here is in favor of 32:9 for the competitive modes (PvP, racing). PoE is exactly as competitive as Skyrim and Solitaire.


1 year, 296 days

Fix it

I don't know if you know wheat competitive means. PoE is 100% competitive. The economy is build on competition. Whoever can farm the most with the best strategy the fastest will make multiples more than another. The first week is basically racing to complete content to be one of the first to drop certain uniques that only have value early.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Except that is simply untrue. You are right for T16s, but the T16 ceiling is really low nowadays. When you factor everything, T17s wipe the floor with any paper builds, so does some unavoidable phases. Have you actually done a fully juiced, delirium T17? I have and T16s are a joke compared to it, and so are builds with "overwhelming damage" and nothing else.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

You sure you want to put those two sentences next to each other? You're basically affirming that we can't ever have that information, but is sure it's worth. See, it's stuff like that that makes me question your objectivity and what you say.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

You should remember the things you write. By your admission, unless KB receives the same cutout as TS and TR, it will always do absurd off screen damage. I Also have a KB build for 5-ways, it's brain off.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Almost two years passed. I guess you have your answer when it comes to "best" option.

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tackle70 wrote:

1 year, 297 days. Black bars are not acceptable or defensible.

Fix it

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tackle70 wrote:

1 year, 297 days. Black bars are not acceptable or defensible.

Fix it

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tackle70 wrote:

1 year, 297 days. Black bars are not acceptable or defensible.

Fix it

Spoiler

Sure.

Screen:
Disclaimer: Calculations within 1% margin of error.
A)U.Wide. 1132 x 1.27 = 1437.64 pixels. 13,5% wider for each side. 305 pixels wider than standard.
B)16:9. 1132 pixels wide.

Wide Range Reference:
16:9(Top).
Stacked: U.Wide > 16:9 > 4:3 (Middle).
U.Wide (Bottom).
Strong Box Reference (Middle Left).
All images stacked adequately to assure quality.


Skill in Question:
Tornado Shot
Lightning Strike
Bladestorm

Empirical Tests:
The baseline used was un-juiced T16 with 90%+ quant.

Tree used:


Map Sample used:


Videos:
Tests for U.Wide vs 16:9 agro distance.
U.Wide x 16:9 Top Left against mildly active enemies:https://puu.sh/K8z8S/125159ac5a.mp4.
Enemies do not agro.

Wide x 16.9 Approach against fairly active enemies:https://puu.sh/K8zaw/ea95ea59e7.mp4.
16:9 enemies agro.

Direct horizontal Sight wide:https://puu.sh/K8zc4/b4955c3af5.mp4.
10 seconds to agro.

Direct horizontal Sight 16:9:https://puu.sh/K8zc7/199e978cbc.mp4.
Instant agro.

This proves an advantage exists. But you might as well say that it's impractical to use it on a regular play.

Extra paper 0% exp TS Build:
Build proof:


Essence Monster 1 x 0% exp TS build:
https://puu.sh/K8zj6/c7e5856e6a.mp4.
@24 seconds, meteor does 3/4 of my life. Unsafe at 16:9. Pretty safe at U.Wide.

Essence Monster 2 x 0% exp TS build:
Wide x essence:https://puu.sh/K8zto/4729d40dee.mp4
I can reliably keep track of him. Blood corruption rarely spawns near me. Yes, i smooth brained near the end with 16:9.
16:9 x essence:https://puu.sh/K8zty/920fc8e23c.mp4
I can't keep track of him in the same way. Blood corruption spawns near me constantly. I could attack from offscreen, but that diminishes damage substantially.

The survivability aspect i'm putting in question pertains to the distance one has from the monsters when you are playing an absolute paper build.

The damage aspect i'm putting in questions pertains to the damage output sustainability and increased damage from Far Shot.

But you are probably right, MB is not budget friendly. You know what is? Headhunter. https://poe.ninja/economy/necropolis/unique-accessories?name=Headhunter
Which also makes able to do relatively juiced maps with mirror of delirium. I made a video with the same character but it was too large and i don't have a way to cut it atm.

Oneshot BS build:
Build proof. Forgot about life: 5693 mana:851 ES:0.


Essence Monster 3 x Paper(?) BS build x 4:3:
https://puu.sh/K8zyc/6dcbc00b24.mp4

Then we convert that same BS build to the same stats as the TS build:


Essence Monster 4 x Paper BS Build:
https://puu.sh/K8zFX/2f6a915de8.mp4
Yeah.

So, should you get U.Wide or keep 16:9?
Tornado Shot: U.Wide gives QoL and damage increase for TS and similar builds.
Lightning Strike: similar performance, but has tradeoff as projectiles do less damage.
Bladestorm: literal waste of money.

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Echothesis wrote:

- Conclusion 6: Fastest way of achieving desirable goal for majority of PoE players has no correlation with access to ways of negating mobs attack capabilities, including one known as "Ultrawide aspect ratio attack range".

Let's see what you concluded and apply it to a few simple questions:
U.Wide doesn't affect tanky builds? You would be correct. Mostly QoL.
U.Wide doesn't affect oneshot builds? You would be correct. Mostly QoL.
U.Wide doesn't affect melee builds? You would be correct. Mostly QoL. LS is not melee. /s.
U.Wide doesn't affect ranged builds? Partially correct. It will increase Tornado Shot and Toxic Rain damage and survivability(builds that need to click on the enemy location precisely), but Kinetic Bolt, Split Arrow and other projectile based builds are unaffected.
U.Wide doesn't affect paper builds? You would be incorrect. U.Wide is large enough so that it can and will affect mapping survivability and visibility.


Which makes me wonder. You yourself said that U.Wide "has no correlation with access to ways of negating mobs attack capabilities", yet i've proved the advantage exists and i've proved that it does affect survivability in projectile paper builds, and let me stress this again, does fuck all for melee, so i'll ask again, why try to force GGG do address something that beyond U.Wide is at best useless, by your own words, and at worst gives an advantage to mostly ranged builds, also being a QoL that GGG doesn't benefit one cent off of?

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

0 year, 1 days that proof was given that further extending vision is abusable.