Summary of the differences between Scion/Guardian/Necro:
Spoiler
Necro:
4 Wasted Points (Start)
No "Duration Tax" (4 Passive worth) = 50% Skill Duration + Affected by Flesh Offering (See Below)
30% All Res (Self+Minions)
5% Aura Effect
100% Minion Damage
10% Minion Movement Speed
31% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 10% + 21% Auras (11% Auras + 10% Gen Auras)
10% Minion Life
30% Cast Speed = 4% Cast Speed + 11% Auras + 15% Offering
15% Movement Speed
10% More Minion Damage
10% Less Damage Debuff
Better Mana Sustain
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Scion:
2 Wasted Points (Start), but 1 is 18% Fire Res
1 Passive (5 Passive, 4 for Duration Tax = 1 "Free")
Affected by Flesh Offering (See Below)
60 INT + 20 STR
30% Minion Damage
33% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 20% (Onslaught) + 13% (7.32 + 6.48 Auras)
20% Minion Movement Speed (Onslaught)
42% Cast Speed + 7% (7.32 Auras) + 15% (Offering) + 20% (Onslaught)
35% Movement Speed = 15% (Offering) + 20% (Onslaught)
Minor Phys Mitigation
Minor Cuse Mitigation
~5% Regen
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Guardian:
3 Wasted Points (Start), but +20 STR, 14 Life, 20% Mana Regen, access to 5% Life/Mana.
-4 Points Duration "Tax"
Immune to Curses
20% All Res (Self Only)
70% Increased Armour
5% Aura Effect
20% Minion Damage
40% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 20% + 20% (Onslaught)
40% Minion Movement Speed = 20% + 20% (Onslaught)
20% Movement Speed (Onslaught)
10% More Minion Damage
Enemies Take 10% Increased Damage
20% Cast Speed (Onslaught)
~8% Regen = 0.5% Regen + ~7.5% Regen
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Actual Stats (in order):
Life - 169% Scion, 150% Necro, 147% Guardian (Necro also has 10% Less Damage Debuff - semi-reliable)
Actual DPS - 1st Necro (with Corpses), 2nd Guardian, 3rd Necro (no Corpses), 4th Scion
Armour - 144% Guardian, 74% Necro/Scion
Spell Suppression - +8% Scion
Curse Immune - Guardian
Minion Movement Speed - 40% Guardian, 20% Scion, 10% Necro
Regen - 8% Guardian, 5% Scion, 0% Necro
In short:
Guardian or Necro are best overall, except for pure speed mapping (Scion can get Tailwind from Jewels).
Guardian seems to be like 40% better than necro and scion from this, even just accounting for curse immunity AND 2x more armour(which scales with bis defensive shield Aegis Aurora)
That is sad because i like to play cute women, not senile fools that forgot to wear pants.
Summary of the differences between Scion/Guardian/Necro:
Spoiler
Necro:
4 Wasted Points (Start)
No "Duration Tax" (4 Passive worth) = 50% Skill Duration + Affected by Flesh Offering (See Below)
30% All Res (Self+Minions)
5% Aura Effect
100% Minion Damage
10% Minion Movement Speed
31% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 10% + 21% Auras (11% Auras + 10% Gen Auras)
10% Minion Life
30% Cast Speed = 4% Cast Speed + 11% Auras + 15% Offering
15% Movement Speed
10% More Minion Damage
10% Less Damage Debuff
Better Mana Sustain
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Scion:
2 Wasted Points (Start), but 1 is 18% Fire Res
1 Passive (5 Passive, 4 for Duration Tax = 1 "Free")
Affected by Flesh Offering (See Below)
60 INT + 20 STR
30% Minion Damage
33% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 20% (Onslaught) + 13% (7.32 + 6.48 Auras)
20% Minion Movement Speed (Onslaught)
42% Cast Speed + 7% (7.32 Auras) + 15% (Offering) + 20% (Onslaught)
35% Movement Speed = 15% (Offering) + 20% (Onslaught)
Minor Phys Mitigation
Minor Cuse Mitigation
~5% Regen
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Guardian:
3 Wasted Points (Start), but +20 STR, 14 Life, 20% Mana Regen, access to 5% Life/Mana.
-4 Points Duration "Tax"
Immune to Curses
20% All Res (Self Only)
70% Increased Armour
5% Aura Effect
20% Minion Damage
40% Minion Attack/Cast Speed = 20% + 20% (Onslaught)
40% Minion Movement Speed = 20% + 20% (Onslaught)
20% Movement Speed (Onslaught)
10% More Minion Damage
Enemies Take 10% Increased Damage
20% Cast Speed (Onslaught)
~8% Regen = 0.5% Regen + ~7.5% Regen
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Actual Stats (in order):
Life - 169% Scion, 150% Necro, 147% Guardian (Necro also has 10% Less Damage Debuff - semi-reliable)
Actual DPS - 1st Necro (with Corpses), 2nd Guardian, 3rd Necro (no Corpses), 4th Scion
Armour - 144% Guardian, 74% Necro/Scion
Spell Suppression - +8% Scion
Curse Immune - Guardian
Minion Movement Speed - 40% Guardian, 20% Scion, 10% Necro
Regen - 8% Guardian, 5% Scion, 0% Necro
In short:
Guardian or Necro are best overall, except for pure speed mapping (Scion can get Tailwind from Jewels).
Guardian seems to be like 40% better than necro and scion from this, even just accounting for curse immunity AND 2x more armour(which scales with bis defensive shield Aegis Aurora)
That is sad because i like to play cute women, not senile fools that forgot to wear pants.
Heh. Look, if you wanna go Block, I'd still do Necromancer, honestly. Guardian works and isn't half bad, but Necro is better for Block.
This build doesn't use Block, so that kinda changes the power dynamics.
That is good point, but playing nerfed class brings bad luck, so for me it is between scion and templar.
I also played witch for last 4 leagues and need some fresh air.
Scion is tempting with 2x jewel to also get tailwind for you and minions.
But templar seems like class with nice ammount of defense which i find to be much more important at league start and does not need possibly expensive unique jewels for it.
I will flip a coin 1minute before making character unless I see some great argument for either somewhere. Atm I consider templar to be slightly better pick. Guardian has easy time generating charges for himself and minions but those are not that powerful anymore after this nerf so maybe not even worth getting from ascendancy.
That is good point, but playing nerfed class brings bad luck, so for me it is between scion and templar.
I also played witch for last 4 leagues and need some fresh air.
Scion is tempting with 2x jewel to also get tailwind for you and minions.
But templar seems like class with nice ammount of defense which i find to be much more important at league start and does not need possibly expensive unique jewels for it.
I will flip a coin 1minute before making character unless I see some great argument for either somewhere. Atm I consider templar to be slightly better pick. Guardian has easy time generating charges for himself and minions but those are not that powerful anymore after this nerf so maybe not even worth getting from ascendancy.
Just to be 100% clear - Guardian does NOT share charges with Minions. Only with Party Members. Found that out the hard way...
Guardians is probably "better", whatever that means, but Scion certainly works, hence the dual guide.
That is good point, but playing nerfed class brings bad luck, so for me it is between scion and templar.
I also played witch for last 4 leagues and need some fresh air.
Scion is tempting with 2x jewel to also get tailwind for you and minions.
But templar seems like class with nice ammount of defense which i find to be much more important at league start and does not need possibly expensive unique jewels for it.
I will flip a coin 1minute before making character unless I see some great argument for either somewhere. Atm I consider templar to be slightly better pick. Guardian has easy time generating charges for himself and minions but those are not that powerful anymore after this nerf so maybe not even worth getting from ascendancy.
Just to be 100% clear - Guardian does NOT share charges with Minions. Only with Party Members. Found that out the hard way...
Guardians is probably "better", whatever that means, but Scion certainly works, hence the dual guide.
And yeah, tired of doing Necro :D
Gosh, that is revelation to me, i assumed that works. in to the trash with templar.
What about the tailwind, it does say "shared with allies" on scion so that should work for sure right? Because necromancer skills say "allies" too.
