👻3.20👻 Kay's Summoner💥SRS Bomber💀Poison SRS💀Melee SRS🕷️Spiders💀Skeleton Mages

Arakaali's fan here, using Kay's guide in the past was my best performing character. How are things looking with the 3.19 changes?
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Devilator wrote:
Arakaali's fan here, using Kay's guide in the past was my best performing character. How are things looking with the 3.19 changes?


Let's get base:
1] Lost extra 25% chaos damage on fang
2] Lost 50% poison duration
3] Got 100% or even more poison damage
4] Probably, PROBABLY, unaffected by minion damage nerfs, cuz gem is already lvl 1
5] Charges are nerfed to the ground
6] Lost extra 30% chaos damage from Offering
7] Hydrosphere are already useless in past leagues anyways
8] Poison dmg per spider buffed to 15%
9] Boss chaos res slightly buffed

Now we can to some maths:
1) Speaking of 2] and 3] spider now do about x2 damage in first 8 seconds of fight, which means you probably won't see any difference compared to the past league in most cases.
2) Taking into account 2] and 3] and speaking of 1], 5] and 6] - this means your damage are cutted in half, so you now deal about 50% less damage. So in fact you still have about 50% more damage in first 8~ seconds of fight compared to the past league.
3) 8] and 9] which almost balansing each other.



Keep in mind this is just raw math from my head and it may be incorrect, but now we may summarize all this to - if 4] are correct, still strong and playable as before, but may be not so convenience compared to past league, for sure, then mapping you will not see any differences in mid-late game, then you do bosses you probably will see a little dps drop cuz of 5] and overall nerfs.
Last edited by DontRepairYourselfMind#6158 on Aug 19, 2022, 10:34:21 AM
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Devilator wrote:
Arakaali's fan here, using Kay's guide in the past was my best performing character. How are things looking with the 3.19 changes?


I've made a new build for 3.19. No support minions. 75/73 block without offering. uses Flesh offering.

updated POB says 13M dps. but don't know if that's accurate.
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DontRepairYourselfMind wrote:
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Devilator wrote:
Arakaali's fan here, using Kay's guide in the past was my best performing character. How are things looking with the 3.19 changes?


Let's get base:
1] Lost extra 25% chaos damage on fang
2] Lost 50% poison duration
3] Got 100% or even more poison damage
4] Probably, PROBABLY, unaffected by minion damage nerfs, cuz gem is already lvl 1
5] Charges are nerfed to the ground
6] Lost extra 30% chaos damage from Offering
7] Hydrosphere are already useless in past leagues anyways
8] Poison dmg per spider buffed to 15%
9] Boss chaos res slightly buffed

Now we can to some maths:
1) Speaking of 2] and 3] spider now do about x2 damage in first 8 seconds of fight, which means you probably won't see any difference compared to the past league in most cases.
2) Taking into account 2] and 3] and speaking of 1], 5] and 6] - this means your damage are cutted in half, so you now deal about 50% less damage. So in fact you still have about 50% more damage in first 8~ seconds of fight compared to the past league.
3) 8] and 9] which almost balansing each other.



Keep in mind this is just raw math from my head and it may be incorrect, but now we may summarize all this to - if 4] are correct, still strong and playable as before, but may be not so convenience compared to past league, for sure, then mapping you will not see any differences in mid-late game, then you do bosses you probably will see a little dps drop cuz of 5] and overall nerfs.


You are talking about the first 8 seconds of a fight because that's how much it took for the first stacks poison to apply their full damage before 3.19, right?

Thanks for the thorough listing. I am feeling a bit optimistic because I never used Hydrosphere, and because my ape spectres died frequently so I was often fighting without charges. So these changes maybe won't be so bad for me. At one point I ditched spectres completely and used Victario's Charity for charges, so idk.

Then there are the changes/additions to minion gear, although that gear might be super expensive even later in the league.

What about Necromancer and the change of Unnatural Strength to give Unholy Might? I have played Necromancer Arakaali's before, but I prefer Occultist.
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kayella wrote:
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Devilator wrote:
Arakaali's fan here, using Kay's guide in the past was my best performing character. How are things looking with the 3.19 changes?


I've made a new build for 3.19. No support minions. 75/73 block without offering. uses Flesh offering.

updated POB says 13M dps. but don't know if that's accurate.

PoB still has spiders with 8 seconds poison duration, so cut your dps roughly in half.
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kayella wrote:

I've made a new build for 3.19. No support minions. 75/73 block without offering. uses Flesh offering.

updated POB says 13M dps. but don't know if that's accurate.


Hey, that's great. Can you share the PoB, or are you going to post a guide later?

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Quintessence wrote:
PoB still has spiders with 8 seconds poison duration, so cut your dps roughly in half.


Ouch.
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Quintessence wrote:

updated POB says 13M dps. but don't know if that's accurate.

PoB still has spiders with 8 seconds poison duration, so cut your dps roughly in half.[/quote]

Probably doesn't have updated viperstrike either...

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Devilator wrote:
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kayella wrote:

I've made a new build for 3.19. No support minions. 75/73 block without offering. uses Flesh offering.

updated POB says 13M dps. but don't know if that's accurate.


Hey, that's great. Can you share the PoB, or are you going to post a guide later?



Yeah, guide soon. It's a high budget build so maybe a few weeks later...
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Torguemada wrote:
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Bechtol449 wrote:

It will only have 38% more added attack damage (think damage efficiency). This will not affect it's base damage or damage gained such as from Added Fire Damage support. It will only affect auras besides hatred/jewels/anything added as damage.

If you aren't taking advantage of "added damage" your SRS is just going to be doing 20% less damage as that's the only thing that would have changed.


The new modifier on the gem is "Minions deal 38% more damage"(at gem level 20 obviously) that should boost all damage.


We can find out for certain when POB is updated. Just check int_act.lua

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pagan_pvp wrote:
Hi Kay ,
First of all ,thanks for all the effort you put in to these builds.

I've a question tho , Have you ever tried using energy leech support with vaal summon skeletons ?
Second question , are minions able to leech ? :)
If a fleshcrafter gives minions energy shield based on their chaos resist ( 2 % of max life per 1 % chaos resist ) wouldnt that give a pretty good dmg increase ?

cheers ,


Yes minions can leech! You can get it on ghastly eye jewels.

Energy leech can keep their shield up longer. Could be a good idea actually. but the main problem is skeles got a big nerf so not sure if they are worth.
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