👻3.20👻 Kay's Summoner💥SRS Bomber💀Poison SRS💀Melee SRS🕷️Spiders💀Skeleton Mages

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CantripN wrote:

Even as a Guardian or a Witch. I wrote a guide on how. Dunno if it beats Block but it works.

I'd be interested to see... It's hard to imagine it being worth it when block is right near our valuable nodes and the Witch/Guardian ascedency both have block synergy.

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kayella wrote:

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Rebe1mind wrote:

Hi @Kay!

Thanks for keeping up with all the work you are doing towards minion builds.

Any comment on your Mele SRS in 3.19?

Ty in advance!

I think I finished making it. Now planning out the starter.

Here are the numbers for the full builds. Left side is the 3.17 SRS Necro build. I added in the new numbers for frenzy charges so all 3 builds are the same.

Spoiler

what about minion duration from the necro, how long do they last with your guardian build?

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PoEzocker wrote:

Hey i have a Question: Is Melee SRS as a starter build fast enough for Endgame Maps/Bosses? I look for a fast Minion Mapper.

Srs damage are seriosly buffed for 3.19... No more -15% less added damage, +38% MORE damage at lvl 20 gem and even more MORE damage if your gem go past lvl 20.

This is a strong buff already, without any other modifiers. So clear speed for sure will be good.
If you add here free guardian 40 MS/AS for allies... You already will have the goddamn skulls from formula 1. Witch probably will be not so good and comfortable to play on SRS as Guardian will be.
In case of boss damage dps for sure will be fine.

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kayella wrote:

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Rebe1mind wrote:

Hi @Kay!

Thanks for keeping up with all the work you are doing towards minion builds.

Any comment on your Mele SRS in 3.19?

Ty in advance!

I think I finished making it. Now planning out the starter.

Here are the numbers for the full builds. Left side is the 3.17 SRS Necro build. I added in the new numbers for frenzy charges so all 3 builds are the same.

Spoiler

Wow that's pretty sweet numbers for guardian!
Glad there is now a real choice to make between necro and guardian.

Speaking of that, is the unholy might now provided by "Unnatural Strength" completely worthless? Isn't that still 30% moar damage for SRS not explodey?

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Popochka wrote:

Speaking of that, is the unholy might now provided by "Unnatural Strength" completely worthless? Isn't that still 30% moar damage for SRS not explodey?

Since all Srs damage converted to fire damage - no. It's bad option. Cuz you will not scale this up, you will scale either phys or magic damage.

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DontRepairYourselfMind wrote:

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Popochka wrote:

Speaking of that, is the unholy might now provided by "Unnatural Strength" completely worthless? Isn't that still 30% moar damage for SRS not explodey?

Since all Srs damage converted to fire damage - no. It's bad option. Cuz you will not scale this up, you will scale either phys or magic damage.

but scaling-up phys damage scales-ep the chaos damage from unholy might, right?

Is a 3.19 version coming for melee srs guardian version? I'd love to play this version of the melee srs build for my league start and take it further into full endgame

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Torguemada wrote:

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DontRepairYourselfMind wrote:

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Popochka wrote:

Speaking of that, is the unholy might now provided by "Unnatural Strength" completely worthless? Isn't that still 30% moar damage for SRS not explodey?

Since all Srs damage converted to fire damage - no. It's bad option. Cuz you will not scale this up, you will scale either phys or magic damage.

but scaling-up phys damage scales-ep the chaos damage from unholy might, right?

Yap, but this node force you to scale only phys damage, which is dead-end road for necro ascendancy and srs in particular.

If you play any of srs you wanna scale phys and elemental damage (chaos are not elemental), when slap for example hatred on top of it and get damage from both phys and elemental scaling again and as addition for cold damage from hatred it self, when once again slap on top of all this Fleshcrafter and push your damage even further. And so on. You have no good options to scale up that chaos damage you will get from ascendancy.

I'm not pretend on the greater connoisseur role and may be wrong, but in raw numbers unholy might is bullshit, what do not worth ascendancy points at all. Too hard to scale this up, if you compare it to other sources of damage. In my opinion it's better to pick Barrier or Bringer, when take this node.

Hey Kay, i overlooked once again ascendancies and BLAH.

Why we should choose between Necro and Guardian if we have Scion to pick up both Onslaught and Offering?

We also have will have cheap variaint to go further - buy cheap forbidden for Tailwind for example, or buy it for Offering. And also have choice to respec later to go from ether witch or guardian.

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DontRepairYourselfMind wrote:

Hey Kay, i overlooked once again ascendancies and BLAH.

Why we should choose between Necro and Guardian if we have Scion to pick up both Onslaught and Offering?

We also have will have cheap variaint to go further - buy cheap forbidden for Tailwind for example, or buy it for Offering. And also have choice to respec later to go from ether witch or guardian.

Necro still gets 100% increased minion damage and a bunch of minion survivability. I think people are overlooking how important minion survivability will be next league. ESPECIALLY during league start since your minions will have ~30% less HP when you get into maps compared to last league.

Remove Unnatural strength and they'll have ~50% less hp.