[3.21] Cold Conversion Summoner | Build guides for all budgets | (Ghazzy Zoomancer)

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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https://pastebin.com/F2Pyw7Cd

Okay, so I've been looking through your PoB now and there's some very detrimental things in the build. Your current skin of the lord is actually bricking your build right now since it gives Supreme Ego (VERY BAD).

You seem to be running on a pretty low budget so I'm gonna try to see if you can fix most things in ~4 ex.

This is what I've come up with only using items you can find on trade online right now:

https://pastebin.com/fYQ0DJ74

Total budget cost is ~4.4 ex and you can find the trade link to the items in the notes.

If you make these upgrades you'll be able to clear all content in the game.

If your budget is lower than 4 ex, let me know.

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Asian_Camgirl wrote:

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Deadandlivin wrote:

Wow I actually didn't realize that, I feel pretty stupid. My next question is, if I get a chest that allocates EE, what am I using to trigger it? Do I need to get an item which adds non-cold elemental damage? Should I fit a frostbomb in somehow?

I'm really no expert but as I remember from the past, EE is triggered with Blade Vortex and +non-cold-elemental damage on one ring...

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Asian_Camgirl wrote:

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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https://pastebin.com/F2Pyw7Cd

Okay, so I've been looking through your PoB now and there's some very detrimental things in the build. Your current skin of the lord is actually bricking your build right now since it gives Supreme Ego (VERY BAD).

You seem to be running on a pretty low budget so I'm gonna try to see if you can fix most things in ~4 ex.

This is what I've come up with only using items you can find on trade online right now:

https://pastebin.com/fYQ0DJ74

Total budget cost is ~4.4 ex and you can find the trade link to the items in the notes.

If you make these upgrades you'll be able to clear all content in the game.

If your budget is lower than 4 ex, let me know.

Wow I actually didn't realize that, I feel pretty stupid. My next question is, if I get a chest that allocates EE, what am I using to trigger it? Do I need to get an item which adds non-cold elemental damage? Should I fit a frostbomb in somehow?

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On very low budgets I wouldn't focus on getting an EE chest up and running. Personally I got my EE and BV setup sorted after I farmed a Mageblood this league. I had already done all the content in this game, even uber content and the Feared with a budget 50 chaos chest aswell.

That being said, EE chest is BiS, but since it's a very specific niche item I don't want it to be detrimental to the build working which I was holding up on getting it to see how far I could go without it. Since I didn't update the build guide for the league start however, the build wasn't too popular and the EE skin of the lords only cst ~100 chaos to buy for me atleast. Last league it was like 8 ex though when more ppl played the build.

Anyways, to make EE chest work you want 4 key components up and running:
1. Skin of the Lords with EE obviously
2. Trigger Wand socketed with Blade Vortex
3. Redeemer Unset Ring with Frostbite(Used to run Assassin's Mark but it's gone)
4. Boots enchanted with lightning damage to procc EE with Blade Vortex.

Since we run so much duration on the build BV has a 100% uptime and always spins around you applying EE from the lightning dmg and Frostbite to nearby enemies.
See it as a free mini Blasphemy Aura. If you get alot of AoE the BV radius actually gets bigger than Blasphemy which is pretty funny.

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Asian_Camgirl wrote:

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On very low budgets I wouldn't focus on getting an EE chest up and running. Personally I got my EE and BV setup sorted after I farmed a Mageblood this league. I had already done all the content in this game, even uber content and the Feared with a budget 50 chaos chest aswell.

That being said, EE chest is BiS, but since it's a very specific niche item I don't want it to be detrimental to the build working which I was holding up on getting it to see how far I could go without it. Since I didn't update the build guide for the league start however, the build wasn't too popular and the EE skin of the lords only cst ~100 chaos to buy for me atleast. Last league it was like 8 ex though when more ppl played the build.

Anyways, to make EE chest work you want 4 key components up and running:
1. Skin of the Lords with EE obviously
2. Trigger Wand socketed with Blade Vortex
3. Redeemer Unset Ring with Frostbite(Used to run Assassin's Mark but it's gone)
4. Boots enchanted with lightning damage to procc EE with Blade Vortex.

Since we run so much duration on the build BV has a 100% uptime and always spins around you applying EE from the lightning dmg and Frostbite to nearby enemies.
See it as a free mini Blasphemy Aura. If you get alot of AoE the BV radius actually gets bigger than Blasphemy which is pretty funny.

What about running avatar of fire + frostbomb as we did in the past? Maybe even using eye of malice on AG?

Also I was just going off of the POB you made for me, noticed the EE skin of lords but nothing to proc it (unless there was a line in an item that added elemental damage to my attacks)

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I don't think running Frost Bomb and Avatar of Fire is good any longer.
Triggers were nerfed to a 8 second cooldown which makes Frost Bomb WAY to inconsistent. It's also only a 15% exposure which is worse than EE which provides a 25% exposure now. We're also very skill point starved so spending 2 or more skill points just for Avatar of Fire is kinda bad.

Instead of Frost Bomb, I prefer to just run Elemental Army on support minions like the AG instead. It's a 10% exposure instead of 15%, but it's way more consistent, gives the AG extra tankiness and explosion damage and doesn't require sacrificing skill points.

Frost Bomb is a relic of the past, it's not good anymore in my opinion. You'll mostly procc it when you don't really need it and then have to wait 8 sec until you can trigger it again.

Eye of Malice is bad on the AG because it's so hard to get boss resistances into the negatives. Take my current Elementalist build as an example:

My total resistance reduction is:
50%(EE) + 15%(Legacy of Fury) + 20%(Curses) + 12%(AG Helm) = 97% reduction.

Minions also get 8% pen from mastery (Not affected by Eye of Malice)
Bosses have 50% to all elemental resistances so the final resistance value in my case is:

50% - 97% - 8% = -55%

If I instead used Eye of Malice the result would be:
(50% - 85%(No Redeemer helm)) * 1.5 - 8%(Penetration Mastery) = -60.5%

So I'd gain 5% extra penetration, but I'd lose 9% increased elemental damage on my AG helm which would be a dps loss.

This also assumes 50% cold resistance which is what bosses usually have.
Things like Simulacrum would be devestating because some Simulacrum mods literally add 80% cold res to all monsters. That puts bosses like Kosis and Omniphobia at 130% cold res. I'll never be able to reduce their resistance below 0% so Eye of Malice would always be a dps loss as it increases their resistances since I can't bring it below negatives.

And keep in mind, this is as an Elementalist with Mastermind of Discord. Necromancers have 25% less resistance reduction.

In your PoBprofile I simulated buying a wand with Lightning dmg to spells on the convoking wand. That's why I didn't need to add fire or lightning dmg anywhere. If it wasn't for the wand, I'd pay 50 chaos to a lab runner and enchant 1-160 lightning damage on my boots.

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Asian_Camgirl wrote:

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I don't think running Frost Bomb and Avatar of Fire is good any longer.
Triggers were nerfed to a 8 second cooldown which makes Frost Bomb WAY to inconsistent. It's also only a 15% exposure which is worse than EE which provides a 25% exposure now. We're also very skill point starved so spending 2 or more skill points just for Avatar of Fire is kinda bad.

Instead of Frost Bomb, I prefer to just run Elemental Army on support minions like the AG instead. It's a 10% exposure instead of 15%, but it's way more consistent, gives the AG extra tankiness and explosion damage and doesn't require sacrificing skill points.

Frost Bomb is a relic of the past, it's not good anymore in my opinion. You'll mostly procc it when you don't really need it and then have to wait 8 sec until you can trigger it again.

Eye of Malice is bad on the AG because it's so hard to get boss resistances into the negatives. Take my current Elementalist build as an example:

My total resistance reduction is:
50%(EE) + 15%(Legacy of Fury) + 20%(Curses) + 12%(AG Helm) = 97% reduction.

Minions also get 8% pen from mastery (Not affected by Eye of Malice)
Bosses have 50% to all elemental resistances so the final resistance value in my case is:

50% - 97% - 8% = -55%

If I instead used Eye of Malice the result would be:
(50% - 85%(No Redeemer helm)) * 1.5 - 8%(Penetration Mastery) = -60.5%

So I'd gain 5% extra penetration, but I'd lose 9% increased elemental damage on my AG helm which would be a dps loss.

This also assumes 50% cold resistance which is what bosses usually have.
Things like Simulacrum would be devestating because some Simulacrum mods literally add 80% cold res to all monsters. That puts bosses like Kosis and Omniphobia at 130% cold res. I'll never be able to reduce their resistance below 0% so Eye of Malice would always be a dps loss as it increases their resistances since I can't bring it below negatives.

And keep in mind, this is as an Elementalist with Mastermind of Discord. Necromancers have 25% less resistance reduction.

In your PoBprofile I simulated buying a wand with Lightning dmg to spells on the convoking wand. That's why I didn't need to add fire or lightning dmg anywhere. If it wasn't for the wand, I'd pay 50 chaos to a lab runner and enchant 1-160 lightning damage on my boots.

Alright, thanks for the reply. I finally was able to tinker with my resistances to fit the hungry loop in, but it's a slog to get it to consume all the gems I need. I was thinking about switching from zombie/crabbie to hyrri/phantasm since I find myself running blight content a lot.
Just wondering on why you would recommend running damage on full life support rather than say... increased crit, elemental dmg with atk, or vicious proj?

Still kinda wondering if this will be a better decision overall or if I should stick with crab + zombie?

Also, feels like I'm hitting a wall with how much dmg I can scale, what should I aim for now? Don't think I can get enough money for forbidden jewels, +2 wand with good minion dmg lines, mageblood, or awakened multistrike...