⛵☁️[3.25] The Arachnophobia Allstars| Chaos Guardian CI|The dirty Scorpion-tail|Herald of Agony 150M+

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Chromino wrote:

Hi MarronPath,

thanks for the answer.
I haven't read everything meticulously yet and i will but just the melding of the flesh is an other 40 exalt investment. I have one but not enought resistances to sustain it, wich means more stuff again.

it surely work but it is much more complicated than i hoped..

The 5 ex budget video is misleading :(

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MarronPath wrote:

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Chromino wrote:

Hi MarronPath,

thanks for the answer.
I haven't read everything meticulously yet and i will but just the melding of the flesh is an other 40 exalt investment. I have one but not enought resistances to sustain it, wich means more stuff again.

it surely work but it is much more complicated than i hoped..

The 5 ex budget video is misleading :(

But did you activated both determination and grace? I cannot check it in imported pob. With your 60-75% spellblock it should be enough for red t16, you then only need to read the altar-mods.

For much more damage the medium clusters will help fast.

Yes, the video of Betta-ah Gaming is made with 5 exalts in leaguestart. In standard the prices are never that low with only little exceptions. Arakaali's and Aegis aurora raised much the prices too, watcher's eyes, clusters, aul's etc. got much cheaper.

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Chromino wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

hey, what skill do we use before getting arakaali's fang? or is herald of agony enough by itself?

Hi Lyutsifer665!

the allstars need totally 5 minions teamed up for the ascendancy-onslaught buff. Most easy is Absolution as second damage-skill while levelling or phantasms-support in the HoA-/ Absolution-supports beside (anomalous) withering step for withers before getting arakaali's fang.
While levelling Heralds of purity (but they need mana) or skeletons are great also.

In "tipps for levelling", subspoiler "Spiders, Speed and Withers" are all tipps for early minions and withers or on page 50 in the alternative-gear next to "arakaali's fang".

HoA is enough as single, but alone much slower in map-clearing without phantasms/ spiders.

i see. thanks. i saw you have a necro guide for this as well. which would you recommend for 3.19 for someone who plays casually and will have a limited budget?

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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Chromino wrote:

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

hey, what skill do we use before getting arakaali's fang? or is herald of agony enough by itself?

Hi Lyutsifer665!

the allstars need totally 5 minions teamed up for the ascendancy-onslaught buff. Most easy is Absolution as second damage-skill while levelling or phantasms-support in the HoA-/ Absolution-supports beside (anomalous) withering step for withers before getting arakaali's fang.
While levelling Heralds of purity (but they need mana) or skeletons are great also.

In "tipps for levelling", subspoiler "Spiders, Speed and Withers" are all tipps for early minions and withers or on page 50 in the alternative-gear next to "arakaali's fang".

HoA is enough as single, but alone much slower in map-clearing without phantasms/ spiders.

i see. thanks. i saw you have a necro guide for this as well. which would you recommend for 3.19 for someone who plays casually and will have a limited budget?

I just tried to do a urgent needed ranking with the until now known changes of [3.19].

To start fast:

■ Occultist is most squishy and not easy to max defensive layers like full spellblock or melding of the flesh - but great when you dislike spiders and prefer one more flaskslot. You can add in maps phantasms in the Herald of Agony supports, best with the notable "blessed rebirth" on one cluster, and apply withers yourself against bosses. Occultist's Profane bloom is b.i.s. in blight-content. Only with forbidden flame and flesh activating new necro's "unholy might" equal damage in lategame, before 10-15% less damage.

■ Guardian is most fast with more movementspeed and with 5-allies-onslaught-buff still has the same damage as the necro.
Permament curse resistances and a bit more armour and nice regenerations are big upsides in defences too.

■ Necromancer scales up in [3.19] most damage only in lategame with the b.i.s. buffing 8. link new "unholy might" ascendancy in combination with forbidden flame and flesh and occultist's "void beacon" (or profane bloom + spiritual aid instead in high density).
It's flexible with bone/spirit/flesh-offerings and a bit more easy to use early the (nerfed) melding of the flesh for +max-resistances.

Overall:

Occultist is only third choice when you want tankyness.
Guardian remains great with q.o.l. of 20% more movementspeed and fullgeared some more tankyness.
It looks like necromancy is the best fullgeared to maximize damage in lategame and most flexible in [3.19], but as downside deals with a bit less defences.

It's impressive that poe is nowadays so well balanced and out of the three ascendancies each one has one specific upside.



Ascendancies____Guardian____Necro____Occu

DPS overall__________1___________2________3


DPS high density_____2___________3________1

DPS b.i.s.-geared_____2___________1________3

Tankyness___________1___________2________4

Levelling____________1___________1________3

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Pros guardian more movementspeed and tankyness, Necro a bit more flexible levelling and until lategame.

Cons guardian depends a bit on 5 allies for onslaught buff, Occu hard to max with more needed investments in defences

Notes:


Prices ---- equal by now, some differences for "forbidden flame/ flesh" or voices clusters in lategame hard to plan -----



Take a trip in the necromancy: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3264207/page/1



[Monik and Valsacar and all arachnophobiatics, did I overlooked something important or does this fits?]

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Chromino wrote:

[Monik and Valsacar and all arachnophobiatics, did I overlooked something important or does this fits?]

From my PoV, where 1 is the best, 3 is the 3rd best:

Guardian Necro Occultist

Clear: 3 2 1

Sdps: 3 1 2

Tank: 1 2 3


There is no way guardian can compare in damage/clear with the witch, but it's still have too much tanky qol.

Occultist is strong, but squishy. She doesn't have much choice from forbidden jewels. Necro can ez cap max block and have more choices from forbidden jewels, but have to invest in curse reduction. Guardian is weak (if compared to 3.19 witch), but have too much qol. Also, if counting forbidden jewels, Guardian is definitely the most tanky.

I won't change my mind: for my playstyle and demands, necro is the best for hoag in 3.19.

Chromino, I'm sure you'll stick to guardian tho.

Valsacar, probably would test my necro pob. Or occulstist variant, since he starts with occultist build.

thanks guys. looks like i'll try necro

https://pastebin.com/qSki5P9F

short on dex... can't find some jewels.. progress has been made a bit. Doubt i'll finish before league end though

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Dstry wrote:

https://pastebin.com/qSki5P9F

short on dex... can't find some jewels.. progress has been made a bit. Doubt i'll finish before league end though

Fast and easy dexterity is added in the attribute mastery, cluster-transferpoints, on the belt-jewel or on one jewel "split personality" es + dex (see spoiler pantheon / attributes requirements or tipps for levelling, there spoiler "Dexterity!!")

https://pastebin.com/mjZ4DHm2

fixed my dex.. was able to fit in another pure agony... need more fire res ill fix somehow. maybe if i can find another belt jewel.

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monik390 wrote:

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Chromino wrote:

[Monik and Valsacar and all arachnophobiatics, did I overlooked something important or does this fits?]

From my PoV, where 1 is the best, 3 is the 3rd best:

Guardian Necro Occultist

Clear: 3 2 1

Sdps: 3 1 2

Tank: 1 2 3


There is no way guardian can compare in damage/clear with the witch, but it's still have too much tanky qol.

Occultist is strong, but squishy. She doesn't have much choice from forbidden jewels. Necro can ez cap max block and have more choices from forbidden jewels, but have to invest in curse reduction. Guardian is weak (if compared to 3.19 witch), but have too much qol. Also, if counting forbidden jewels, Guardian is definitely the most tanky.

I won't change my mind: for my playstyle and demands, necro is the best for hoag in 3.19.

Chromino, I'm sure you'll stick to guardian tho.

Valsacar, probably would test my necro pob. Or occulstist variant, since he starts with occultist build.

Hehehe! It will be a lot fun to test it all out!

Yes, as 3.19 necro it's more easy to max damage. But when you use more clusters or voices, the tempplar is close behind with more tankyness. And the minion mastery with unholy might after kill looks like it will not be changed - so that's strong again for templars in high density. When I configure the new +1/+2 helmet in, templar is still great with best defences.

I already added in the pob a new "[3.19] Final tree Lake of Kalandra" calculating the known nerfed reservationmastery and new helmet. Against bosses another 6th / 7th pure agony instead minion mastery is used.

And the new buffed legendaries are strong - I would be not surprised if there is a new b.i.s. piece is coming in soon.

Did you set up a necro pob? Would be great to take a look on!