[3.12] Dejuvenate's Best Starter Build for Chieftain/Trickster bar none - Unethical FlameSlinger

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BangoSkank wrote:

I tried leveling this yesterday and its was painfully bad dmg early on.

Maybe I am missing something ?

What lvl are you? Remember to ensure your projectiles pass thru flamewall. If they dont pass thru flamewall they dont do any dmg

I just checked your POB.

Try power siphon - combustion - chain

later at 38 you can use PS - hextouch - flammability and use pierce jewel from act 5 or so.

I leveled using stormblast mines till 18, then swapped to manual cast flamewall then power sphon till 24, then swap to spellslinger from 24 onwards.

Thanks for trying out this build!

Very very interested in leaguestarting with this, three questions:

1. Holy Flame Totem is not available for Shadow unless I am missing something, in my first practice run I picked EK as a payload for the early game but that seemed rather suboptimal, I take it that leveling with trusty old Mine+Orb of Storms to Spellslinger is viable?

2. I‘m a bit wondering about endgame scaling, how bad does the build perform against 4 Watchstone conquerors in the first days? Can it kill them reliably enough so I can get my watchstone grind done on this character or should I aim to reroll as soon as i can scrap together currency.

3. Is going LL on a 5L Shavs worth it or is the scaling simply not there? I played around with numbers in PoB and got something like 1.5M DoT DPS on a LL Setup but with DoT builds I always have a hard time judging how well that number actually translates to gameplay.

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stnikolauswagne wrote:

Very very interested in leaguestarting with this, three questions:

1. Holy Flame Totem is not available for Shadow unless I am missing something, in my first practice run I picked EK as a payload for the early game but that seemed rather suboptimal, I take it that leveling with trusty old Mine+Orb of Storms to Spellslinger is viable?

2. I‘m a bit wondering about endgame scaling, how bad does the build perform against 4 Watchstone conquerors in the first days? Can it kill them reliably enough so I can get my watchstone grind done on this character or should I aim to reroll as soon as i can scrap together currency.

3. Is going LL on a 5L Shavs worth it or is the scaling simply not there? I played around with numbers in PoB and got something like 1.5M DoT DPS on a LL Setup but with DoT builds I always have a hard time judging how well that number actually translates to gameplay.

1. My bad, I mixed up the planning as I played this twice. Once as starter in flashback as trickster. Got that build to 90, then was curious about chieftain.

You can lvl with stormblast mine + flamewall + frost bomb early on. Thats what I did.

2. I got to 90 using the starter trickster version in less than 24 hrs /played in flashback. See the attached pob in first post. The numbers I was getting was around 800k dps on trash, and 700k on bosses (swap kb with frenzy for conquerors and the like).

This is already higher than chaosslinger and iceslinget at equal progression. Semi min maxed going low life brings me to around 3.6m dps. Pretty sure folks can bring it higher.

3. Look up my pob for min maxed version. Maxxing this build is rough as there is very little you can scale this further, as flamewall is only affected by spell dmg, fire dmg, fire dot multi, and burning dmg.

So unlike ignite or poison build that can scale further. Taking this build to higher dps would require specific medium clusters to stack burning bright and firedotmulti everywhere.

Here's a video made by a guildmate of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74tvhba_S9Q&feature=youtu.be

Just to show the playstyle. He was using wrong tree, wrong ascendancy and low lvl gems running blood aqueducts just to get a feeling on how the build plays.

with up coming changes to trickster in 3.13, might be better off choosing assassin or elementalist for this build. any thoughts?

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exxd wrote:

with up coming changes to trickster in 3.13, might be better off choosing assassin or elementalist for this build. any thoughts?

I am starting an elementalist as starter.
Will make a thread with potential POB in the witch forum section.