[3.11] 30M+ dps COC Penance Brand Necromancer (All content viable except Atziri)

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Butsicles wrote:

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reciprocate wrote:

How necessary is Awakened Spell Cascade for the build? I figure with it spawning corpses and VD balls on the side of the spawn it makes getting the 200% attack/cast speed from corpse pact easier. But is it a must have for the build if going budget at first or is regular spell cascade enough to do the job even at end game?

It's not necessary for barrage. For rain of arrows though, not having awakened spell cascade slows your ramp if your bow aps is <= 1.6 (what I have atm). There's some weird targeting that goes on with spell cascade which does not guarantee 9 corpses (it's more like 7.5) per trigger, and awakened spell cascade cleans up the AI by effectively increasing the area that corpses can pop in. I've tested it and there are a decent number of breakpoints depending on which skill you use. Barrage can hit 200% extremely easily though even with regular spell cascade, and NO vd helm enchant. The only reason I use both is so RoA feels absolutely amazing for maps, but it will feel pretty damn good regardless since we're never really reaching the aps/cast speed cap in maps and bosses pop anyways.

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Butsicles wrote:

Sounds good to me. Apologies for not getting back to you earlier, I'll whip up something in pob tonight just to see general numbers, etc. on a spellsinger penance version

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Butsicles wrote:

Ele focus is definitely possible, but penance brand hits so hard you essentially get shock cap versus sirus with good enough gear (15% vs 50% increased damage taken). At the high end it's definitely not desired but at the lower end ele focus should be fine.

I've put a slightly ghetto version of a spellslinger version (w/o Poet's pen). Poet's pen is super tricky to work around since you actually don't want two (it screws up with reaching spell/cast speed cap because of the way spells proc on poets, where it alternates per weapon per attack), and one poet's pen is quite a bit worse than just having a decent wand, and putting both desecrate and vd on spellslinger.

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Pyrestead wrote:

Hey, I have a couple more questions. I tried to contact you ingame but you were offline.

I got a timeless jewel with just 9 seed value different from yours. I'm guessing i got the right node which is over leech and applying to ES too(Immortal Ambition). I'd like to know the two other nodes being affected, as I'm getting chaos damage%(Revitalizing Darkness) and +7 life on block and +5% block chance (Blood Quenched bulwark)
My question is are these nodes needed and are the nodes I'm getting correct

My other question is how do you get that much crit chance on barrage/ROA,(or does roa/barrage crit chance dont matter? im guessing it needs to crit to proc the brand skill right?) i don't see any crit chance mods on gear or tree(apart from spike point quiver)
I can post my POB here if you'd like to have a quick look. Build is still in the process missing some gears. https://pastebin.com/J8mn66sX

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There's a certain focus on global crit mods: quiver, 100% inc crit chance from consecrated ground, inspiration, power charges, plus flat additive crit from body armour and bottled faith. Add all of those up and it's possible to get around 70%+ crit chance with barrage. But top priority for any CoC build is generally accuracy first, then crit, then attack speed but to the point of just of to the breakpoint.

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Pyrestead wrote:

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There's a certain focus on global crit mods: quiver, 100% inc crit chance from consecrated ground, inspiration, power charges, plus flat additive crit from body armour and bottled faith. Add all of those up and it's possible to get around 70%+ crit chance with barrage. But top priority for any CoC build is generally accuracy first, then crit, then attack speed but to the point of just of to the breakpoint.

chance to hit/evasive monster are 92% and 86% is it necessary to push to 100%? I havent really played coc builds before.

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reciprocate wrote:

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Butsicles wrote:

Ele focus is definitely possible, but penance brand hits so hard you essentially get shock cap versus sirus with good enough gear (15% vs 50% increased damage taken). At the high end it's definitely not desired but at the lower end ele focus should be fine.

I've put a slightly ghetto version of a spellslinger version (w/o Poet's pen). Poet's pen is super tricky to work around since you actually don't want two (it screws up with reaching spell/cast speed cap because of the way spells proc on poets, where it alternates per weapon per attack), and one poet's pen is quite a bit worse than just having a decent wand, and putting both desecrate and vd on spellslinger.

It's slower than Spellslinger/Poet's Pen or CoC, but what about just having Trigger Socketed Spells on Skill use for the rare wand to stick Desecrate+VD in? Probably too slow due to the internal cooldown of 4sec. I'm sticking with PP's for stuff like WoC, Curse, VD+Des but will probably replace one of them for a rare trigger wand to stick WoC+Curse+Offering later on.

The main issue with going CoC is getting enough accuracy in doing so. Attack speed and crit should still be easier to obtain. I ran a mess of an assassin last league with dual PP+Spellslinger+CoC Bladefall Bladeblast Avatar of Fire char, he was squishy but did red maps decently well. It's just balancing out his stats like getting enough attack speed, accuracy, and even weapon crit for CoC was a huge pain in the ass due to itemization and lack of harvest crafting back in Delirium league.

Looking through your rough/scuffed PoB for spellslinger version, there's no Bone Offering either meaning that character is basically running at 50/16 block at best case situation. Nowhere to put it either lowering the chance of survivability/EHP by not hitting cap, and putting it in spellslinger setup won't work since that can't be feasible without sacrificing something else(VD maybe?) due to mana and reservation. But turning the rare wand to have trigger and sticking Offering+WoC+Curse(probably in that order) would solve some issues. I think dual wands is probably best overall option (whether dual rare wands or one PP+Rare wand) for a spellslinger variant.