[3.16 - RETIRING BUILD] VD Brands: S-Tier Bosser, A-Tier Map! -- MURDERED BY GGG_INTERN SOMEWHERE--

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Psaakyrn wrote:

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Wukufyze wrote:

A bit confused on which leveling route to take. I read in the OP that they used Arma Brand build but it also said to follow another build in a different section of the post.

Any suggestion on how to stay relatively similar in terms of passive tree but also make leveling and initial mapping as smooth as possible?

Thanks!

Just go Arma. Other build was suggested before we could test out how smooth Arma would be (as it turns out, extremely smooth, easily to yellow maps). Arma would require the least changes to swap to VD brand, the only difference being that we don't need to take the corpse health nodes as early.

Though note that you should still use the EO non-crit version until you get a good crit setup.

In fact, Arma might even be better for T1 scourge mapping purposes due to it's much faster cast time and ability to nuke entire low-end packs out of existence if you set up first (aka before you flip into nightmare, just make sure you've all your brands out), but you can gem-swap VD back to Arma anyway so you don't even need to change gear (assuming you didn't use hypothemia in your VD links, replace the VD with hypothemia, arcanist brand with arma, spell cascade with the many blue supports available)

Thanks for the reply.

Would following something like this do fine?

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3077603

Thanks again.

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primaeva wrote:

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thib112 wrote:

Hey, it's me again!
I applied all you told me and indeed the clearing and mana is way better.
Still, i feel i lack so much dps in solo target! I just did Drox in T10 and it took me like 5min and 4 deaths so kill him, which is a lot.

Here is my POB : https://pastebin.com/V8KgYn27

Do you still find smth that bad? Maybe i should switch my Cane to smth else ?
I can't find the problem and it starts to be really annoying to struggler so much in solo target x)

Thanks a lot for the help!

We need you to record your 5min fight to see what's going wrong!!!

I just sent you ht evideo in private. Tell me what you think!

Should i try to upgrade my Cane ? My helm ?

I am trying to level up to get more usefull skill points!

Just an update tried Shaper with this (early build no leaderships price) and it was so so bad , even though my lithomancers didn't die it was such a pain.

Couldn't do 1 phase in 5 mins

FYI I farm shapers every league and know the fight completely.

Any ideas what was going wrong?

I thought we could farm bosses easily. Even with the early PoB of you build it has 250K per corpse explosion so it should have been fine considering we have like 10-15 orbs active all the time. Right?


I could kill conquerors easily so i thought i should try that.

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thib112 wrote:

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primaeva wrote:

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thib112 wrote:

Hey, it's me again!
I applied all you told me and indeed the clearing and mana is way better.
Still, i feel i lack so much dps in solo target! I just did Drox in T10 and it took me like 5min and 4 deaths so kill him, which is a lot.

Here is my POB : https://pastebin.com/V8KgYn27

Do you still find smth that bad? Maybe i should switch my Cane to smth else ?
I can't find the problem and it starts to be really annoying to struggler so much in solo target x)

Thanks a lot for the help!

We need you to record your 5min fight to see what's going wrong!!!

I just sent you ht evideo in private. Tell me what you think!

Should i try to upgrade my Cane ? My helm ?

I am trying to level up to get more usefull skill points!

Well, considering you were using a 5L, permanently Enfeebled and never really Cycloned long enough to fire off Wave of Conviction (and it was a Hexproof map too) - I'd say a 30 second kill while OOMing twice and some Brand downtime is still pretty good DPS considering all those above factors. xD

But your brand mechanics are clean!

Now you can practice - when two brands are on the boss, drop two more so that when the first two expire, the next two can 'take over'.

By the way, you can path through the life node and int node north and get 6% life instead of 10 int!

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ImDarkslayer wrote:

Just an update tried Shaper with this (early build no leaderships price) and it was so so bad , even though my lithomancers didn't die it was such a pain.

Couldn't do 1 phase in 5 mins

FYI I farm shapers every league and know the fight completely.

Any ideas what was going wrong?

I thought we could farm bosses easily. Even with the early PoB of you build it has 250K per corpse explosion so it should have been fine considering we have like 10-15 orbs active all the time. Right?


I could kill conquerors easily so i thought i should try that.

It's covered in the first page of the FAQ. Very often it's misexecution on the brands. Shaper is a 84 map and he stands still for very long periods of time - he is an ideal punching bag for this build. Even while charging his slam he is taking full corpse damage. I really need to see the VOD to analyse what's not working for you - see the player above who submitted his VOD and got it all figured out.

This build simply requires 2 correct brands on the boss and mana to work.

(Also it's fine if your specs die, they already seed the corpse pool of the area.)

So please, please, please, record a video.

EDIT: I will record a Shaper right now and show you, we have similar gear I reckon (6L helm.. I'll take off the Price or something).

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thib112 wrote:

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primaeva wrote:

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thib112 wrote:

Hey, it's me again!
I applied all you told me and indeed the clearing and mana is way better.
Still, i feel i lack so much dps in solo target! I just did Drox in T10 and it took me like 5min and 4 deaths so kill him, which is a lot.

Here is my POB : https://pastebin.com/V8KgYn27

Do you still find smth that bad? Maybe i should switch my Cane to smth else ?
I can't find the problem and it starts to be really annoying to struggler so much in solo target x)

Thanks a lot for the help!

We need you to record your 5min fight to see what's going wrong!!!

I just sent you ht evideo in private. Tell me what you think!

Should i try to upgrade my Cane ? My helm ?

I am trying to level up to get more usefull skill points!

Well, considering you were using a 5L, permanently Enfeebled and never really Cycloned long enough to fire off Wave of Conviction (and it was a Hexproof map too) - I'd say a 30 second kill while OOMing twice and some Brand downtime is still pretty good DPS considering all those above factors. xD You were probably doing about 30% of your damage with full elemental resistance and Enfeeble on you.

But your brand mechanics are clean!

Now you can practice - when two brands are on the boss, drop two more so that when the first two expire, the next two can 'take over'.

By the way, you can path through the life node and int node north and get 6% life instead of 10 int!

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primaeva wrote:

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ImDarkslayer wrote:

Just an update tried Shaper with this (early build no leaderships price) and it was so so bad , even though my lithomancers didn't die it was such a pain.

Couldn't do 1 phase in 5 mins

FYI I farm shapers every league and know the fight completely.

Any ideas what was going wrong?

I thought we could farm bosses easily. Even with the early PoB of you build it has 250K per corpse explosion so it should have been fine considering we have like 10-15 orbs active all the time. Right?


I could kill conquerors easily so i thought i should try that.

It's covered in the first page of the FAQ. Very often it's misexecution on the brands. Shaper is a 84 map and he stands still for very long periods of time - he is an ideal punching bag for this build. Even while charging his slam he is taking full corpse damage. I really need to see the VOD to analyse what's not working for you - see the player above who submitted his VOD and got it all figured out.

This build simply requires 2 correct brands on the boss and mana to work.

(Also it's fine if your specs die, they already seed the corpse pool of the area.)

So please, please, please, record a video.

EDIT: I will record a Shaper right now and show you, we have similar gear I reckon (6L helm.. I'll take off the Price or something).

I think your video will help me understand better.
Meanwhile i will try to record a video maybe some conqueror for you to analyze.

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ImDarkslayer wrote:

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primaeva wrote:

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ImDarkslayer wrote:

Just an update tried Shaper with this (early build no leaderships price) and it was so so bad , even though my lithomancers didn't die it was such a pain.

Couldn't do 1 phase in 5 mins

FYI I farm shapers every league and know the fight completely.

Any ideas what was going wrong?

I thought we could farm bosses easily. Even with the early PoB of you build it has 250K per corpse explosion so it should have been fine considering we have like 10-15 orbs active all the time. Right?


I could kill conquerors easily so i thought i should try that.

It's covered in the first page of the FAQ. Very often it's misexecution on the brands. Shaper is a 84 map and he stands still for very long periods of time - he is an ideal punching bag for this build. Even while charging his slam he is taking full corpse damage. I really need to see the VOD to analyse what's not working for you - see the player above who submitted his VOD and got it all figured out.

This build simply requires 2 correct brands on the boss and mana to work.

(Also it's fine if your specs die, they already seed the corpse pool of the area.)

So please, please, please, record a video.

EDIT: I will record a Shaper right now and show you, we have similar gear I reckon (6L helm.. I'll take off the Price or something).

I think your video will help me understand better.
Meanwhile i will try to record a video maybe some conqueror for you to analyze.

https://youtu.be/coiy3ZPZvT0

Used a random ammy- which was a mistake. If no Price, you need a mana regen amulet or a -mana cost amulet, so I kept ooming, which is death for this build. Still, definitely did all phases under 5 minutes. Phase 1 - 2 mins. Phase 2 - 2 mins. Phase 3: 1min15.

Stay calm, keep two brands out, then drop two more, then just afk and focus on debuffing him and chilling. As with all early Shaper kills - only 'burst' him when he channels, and don't move him too much during slam so he keeps taking damage from whatever damage you've already put down.

Once you get Price, you kinda beat his head in really fast. Also I did note I SHOULDN'T have killed my Spectres - they seemed to not desecrate in the new arena. I will go back and test

pog, that's two flasks!

EDIT: Glancing at your gear, the issue is 100% mana. The gap between Duskdawn crit and the EO version isn't too huge, but the EO version does have more castspeed and you're missing Divergent Inspiration AND the Enduring Mana Flask of the Pupil/Sage/whatever reduced mana cost. Notice how slow my p1 went because I went in without mana flask charges? That's probably how you feel. No mana = no ramp = no damage!

The problem eventually solves itself as you get more and more damage so you don't need as much mana to kill stuff, but early on it is definitely something to manage.

https://youtu.be/coiy3ZPZvT0

Used a random ammy- which was a mistake. If no Price, you need a mana regen amulet or a -mana cost amulet, so I kept ooming, which is death for this build. Still, definitely did all phases under 5 minutes. Phase 1 - 2 mins. Phase 2 - 2 mins. Phase 3: 1min15.

Stay calm, keep two brands out, then drop two more, then just afk and focus on debuffing him and chilling. As with all early Shaper kills - only 'burst' him when he channels, and don't move him too much during slam so he keeps taking damage from whatever damage you've already put down.

Once you get Price, you kinda beat his head in really fast. Also I did note I SHOULDN'T have killed my Spectres - they seemed to not desecrate in the new arena. I will go back and test

pog, that's two flasks!

EDIT: Glancing at your gear, the issue is 100% mana. The gap between Duskdawn crit and the EO version isn't too huge, but the EO version does have more castspeed and you're missing Divergent Inspiration AND the Enduring Mana Flask of the Pupil/Sage/whatever reduced mana cost. Notice how slow my p1 went because I went in without mana flask charges? That's probably how you feel. No mana = no ramp = no damage!

The problem eventually solves itself as you get more and more damage so you don't need as much mana to kill stuff, but early on it is definitely something to manage.[/quote]

I see, but even when i am not out of mana i am not doing so much damage per vd ball. I will record some gameplay and get back to you.

I see, but even when i am not out of mana i am not doing so much damage per vd ball. I will record some gameplay and get back to you.