I Miss Boem...

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awesome999 wrote:

Secert Agent. Secert Agent 009.

That double spelling mistake is very revealing...

'Tis also ironic that is was your comment that broke the very rules you were defending here.

Anyway, as I said in my now defunct reply to it, I'm not going to let you trick me into giving you what you want. All this is getting too close to the very rules that will see this thread closed, which is perhaps your intention by insisting on bringing up these invalid real world comparisons. Perhaps it's genuine, or perhaps you're just trying to bait me into getting myself probated or this thread locked. It's a win-win for you since you've already made it clear you're in favor of such censorship, so I suppose even self-censorship will make you happy. There's no winning here since the very platform we're on is on your side, hampering my ability to counter you.

Fortunately, as I said earlier, your critique is invalid and a distraction. I've explained why before. So I don't need to engage with it more to maintain this threads' purpose. Hence I'm leaving it here. I'm not going to let you bait me, whether that's your intention or not, into sabotaging this whole thread.

Especially when it's unnecessary to do so. Cheers and a Happy New Year mon ami.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

it's abundantly clear that you feel differently.

I'm not the only one. There are many who've expressed dissatisfaction with the current regime, both in myriad comments on other threads and even occasionally on dedicated threads of their own. For instance, I didn't make this thread - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2784982

Indeed it's actually only a few people who I've ever seen support it here, literally enough to count on my fingers. And practically no one on the in-game global chat as far as I can recall that. Just cos the place keeps chugging along doesn't mean people support it. A referendum on it, if ever one were held, would likely go in my favour. Which is of course why one will never be held.

Unlike on Reddit, where community feedback is regularly solicited. And which is the far bigger and more active community for it, even seemingly favored by GGG over their own forums (or at least that's another popular resentment over here).

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Exile009 wrote:

That double spelling mistake is very revealing...

Maybe not a mistake. Now I am gonna call you Secert Agent 009.

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Exile009 wrote:

'Tis also ironic that is was your comment that broke the very rules you were defending here.

Anyway, as I said in my now defunct reply to it, I'm not going to let you trick me into giving you what you want. All this is getting too close to the very rules that will see this thread closed, which is perhaps your intention by insisting on bringing up these invalid real world comparisons. Perhaps it's genuine, or perhaps you're just trying to bait me into getting myself probated or this thread locked. It's a win-win for you since you've already made it clear you're in favor of such censorship, so I suppose even self-censorship will make you happy. There's no winning here since the very platform we're on is on your side, hampering my ability to counter you.

Fortunately, as I said earlier, your critique is invalid and a distraction. I've explained why before. So I don't need to engage with it more to maintain this threads' purpose. Hence I'm leaving it here. I'm not going to let you bait me, whether that's your intention or not, into sabotaging this whole thread.

Especially when it's unnecessary to do so. Cheers and a Happy New Year mon ami.

Thought you like baiting. We are under the same sky, the same rule applies to.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

I miss steaks and gravy. Damned gout.

GGG should not ban steaks and gravy! Okay maybe a steak every once in a while but never gravy!

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Exile009 wrote:

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

it's abundantly clear that you feel differently.

I'm not the only one. There are many who've expressed dissatisfaction with the current regime, both in myriad comments on other threads and even occasionally on dedicated threads of their own. For instance, I didn't make this thread - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2784982

Indeed it's actually only a few people who I've ever seen support it here, literally enough to count on my fingers. And practically no one on the in-game global chat as far as I can recall that. Just cos the place keeps chugging along doesn't mean people support it. A referendum on it, if ever one were held, would likely go in my favour. Which is of course why one will never be held.

Oh I absolutely believe you aren't the only one who shares your views. Indeed, the internet is full of people who yell FREE SPEECH any time someone politely asks them not to do something; there are huge amounts of people on your side of things here. Cool. Okay. Good for you!

As for this hypothetical referendum result/'refusal', is it supposed to seem unusual or a problem that a company isn't running its operations by popular vote among a subset of anonymous customers? I wouldn't put gamers in charge of folding my laundry let alone running a community website.

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Exile009 wrote:

Unlike on Reddit, where community feedback is regularly solicited. And which is the far bigger and more active community for it, even seemingly favored by GGG over their own forums (or at least that's another popular resentment over here).

It's my understanding that discussing politics and religion would be against the rules on the POE Reddit too. So it's a little weird to use that as a comparison to hold this hypothetical referendum outcome against GGG's forum.

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Turtledove wrote:

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The_Impeacher wrote:

I miss steaks and gravy. Damned gout.

GGG should not ban steaks and gravy! Okay maybe a steak every once in a while but never gravy!

Find another restaurant that serve steak. This restaurant special feature is you can tease someone with greasy and delicious steak they can't eat.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

Indeed, the internet is full of people who yell FREE SPEECH any time someone politely asks them not to do something

You're the one politely asking, which I have no issue with. While I may disagree with you, you're not the one I'm condemning here. What I am condemning are the people who aren't 'politely asking', but demanding and expecting (and empowered to back that up), oft followed by forcing.

And just as you've classed me in with the free speech yellers, I can't help but notice your dropping contempt for gamers -

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

I wouldn't put gamers in charge of folding my laundry

Quite revealing.

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Exile009 wrote:

You're the one politely asking, which I have no issue with. While I may disagree with you, you're not the one I'm condemning here. What I am condemning are the people who aren't 'politely asking', but demanding and expecting (and empowered to back that up), oft followed by forcing.

Maybe your own conscience is screaming; I will not be caged, I yearn for freedom. People who wilfully breaking the law should be punished. I have no beef with you breaking it. But the rules and the spirit of the law must be upheld. Rules and laws are a form of coercion.

GGG mod is politely asking, aren't they? Rather a mix message consisting of a request, a warning and a threat. I would expect you to follow it when you know there are consequences for breaking it.

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Exile009 wrote:

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

Indeed, the internet is full of people who yell FREE SPEECH any time someone politely asks them not to do something

You're the one politely asking, which I have no issue with. While I may disagree with you, you're not the one I'm condemning here. What I am condemning are the people who aren't 'politely asking', but demanding and expecting (and empowered to back that up), oft followed by forcing.

Well I, at least, wasn’t talking about me. I consider the general implication of “hey, if you want to use this free website we made to talk about our free game, go ahead, we just ask you to follow these few simple rules if you’re going to be here” to be pretty polite. As I said earlier, not a big ask of anyone, no imposition on anyone’s life.

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Exile009 wrote:

And just as you've classed me in with the free speech yellers, I can't help but notice your dropping contempt for gamers -

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

I wouldn't put gamers in charge of folding my laundry

Quite revealing.

Hey, if you would put your workplace decisionmaking in the hands of an anonymous collective of gamers, that’s your business I guess. To each their own. I’m glad to hear my words do convey information though; I write them intentionally so it would be a shame if they didn’t.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

I consider the general implication of “hey, if you want to use this free website we made to talk about our free game, go ahead, we just ask you to follow these few simple rules if you’re going to be here” to be pretty polite.

Yeah it's 'polite' in the same way Don Corleone was polite lol. The only reason it's treated differently is cos the stakes are lower. But fundamentally it's still the same form of 'politeness'. Ironically the other guy, who I've already said I suspect is trying to bait me, said it more honestly -

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a mix message consisting of a request, a warning and a threat.

Amen.