[3.14] Gryph's Thirsty Archmage Cremation Necromancer

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Silenc42 wrote:

I can confirm that this build works very nicely (after switching from spellslinger VD). The transition to maps is also not really a problem, even without the uniques and with 4Ls.

Something else:
I am still not 100% comfortable with the run, stop, 2-click playstyle. Remembering the days of Scold's VD cwc cyclone, I am about to try this:

Get a 6L staff and drop the trigger socketed spells enchant
Put in cyclone cwc with desecrate and some other skills you need to trigger from time to time; preferrably something with cooldown like cold snap to keep the corpse uptime. (possibly support it with spell cascade)

Put on Stampede boots (safe movement and some mana-reg) to keep the 150% movement speed during cyclone. (Possibly switch to frostblink for instant movement without interrupting cyc; arcane cloak should also not interrupt our spin).

The idea is to not self cast desecrate but rather have it as cast while moving (i.e. cycl cwc). From time to time throw a cremation into the mobs or 3 around the boss. and keep cycling until it's time to cremate again.
I hope it will be smoother and more mobile playstyle.
This should also assure a supply of corpses for Kitava's teachings.

What we loose is the chance to proc Kitava's thirst gems when casting desecrate. It will only proc on cremation. Arcane cloak has no real cost it just spends mana which apparently doesn't count. And I really don't see frostblink costing more than 100 mana without using voidbringer gloves.

What do you think, guys and gals?

P.S. Another, cheaper alternative could be to go mace and shield to keep the cast socketed spell when you use a skill and the res of the shield. Less cwc, more skills from the wand when using arcane cloack or frostblink (and ofc cremation)

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Quarkbag wrote:

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Silenc42 wrote:

Spoiler

I can confirm that this build works very nicely (after switching from spellslinger VD). The transition to maps is also not really a problem, even without the uniques and with 4Ls.

Something else:
I am still not 100% comfortable with the run, stop, 2-click playstyle. Remembering the days of Scold's VD cwc cyclone, I am about to try this:

Get a 6L staff and drop the trigger socketed spells enchant
Put in cyclone cwc with desecrate and some other skills you need to trigger from time to time; preferrably something with cooldown like cold snap to keep the corpse uptime. (possibly support it with spell cascade)

Put on Stampede boots (safe movement and some mana-reg) to keep the 150% movement speed during cyclone. (Possibly switch to frostblink for instant movement without interrupting cyc; arcane cloak should also not interrupt our spin).

The idea is to not self cast desecrate but rather have it as cast while moving (i.e. cycl cwc). From time to time throw a cremation into the mobs or 3 around the boss. and keep cycling until it's time to cremate again.
I hope it will be smoother and more mobile playstyle.
This should also assure a supply of corpses for Kitava's teachings.

What we loose is the chance to proc Kitava's thirst gems when casting desecrate. It will only proc on cremation. Arcane cloak has no real cost it just spends mana which apparently doesn't count. And I really don't see frostblink costing more than 100 mana without using voidbringer gloves.

What do you think, guys and gals?

P.S. Another, cheaper alternative could be to go mace and shield to keep the cast socketed spell when you use a skill and the res of the shield. Less cwc, more skills from the wand when using arcane cloack or frostblink (and ofc cremation)

How did your tests work. I am a little bit afraid of trying this build exactely because of the run-stop-2click playstyle?

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Silenc42 wrote:

I can confirm that this build works very nicely (after switching from spellslinger VD). The transition to maps is also not really a problem, even without the uniques and with 4Ls.

Something else:
I am still not 100% comfortable with the run, stop, 2-click playstyle. Remembering the days of Scold's VD cwc cyclone, I am about to try this:

Get a 6L staff and drop the trigger socketed spells enchant
Put in cyclone cwc with desecrate and some other skills you need to trigger from time to time; preferrably something with cooldown like cold snap to keep the corpse uptime. (possibly support it with spell cascade)

Put on Stampede boots (safe movement and some mana-reg) to keep the 150% movement speed during cyclone. (Possibly switch to frostblink for instant movement without interrupting cyc; arcane cloak should also not interrupt our spin).

The idea is to not self cast desecrate but rather have it as cast while moving (i.e. cycl cwc). From time to time throw a cremation into the mobs or 3 around the boss. and keep cycling until it's time to cremate again.
I hope it will be smoother and more mobile playstyle.
This should also assure a supply of corpses for Kitava's teachings.

What we loose is the chance to proc Kitava's thirst gems when casting desecrate. It will only proc on cremation. Arcane cloak has no real cost it just spends mana which apparently doesn't count. And I really don't see frostblink costing more than 100 mana without using voidbringer gloves.

What do you think, guys and gals?

P.S. Another, cheaper alternative could be to go mace and shield to keep the cast socketed spell when you use a skill and the res of the shield. Less cwc, more skills from the wand when using arcane cloack or frostblink (and ofc cremation)

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Truman1997 wrote:

Does projectile speed matter on the wand? does it affect cremation?

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rax4r wrote:

so additional 10% MoM on watcher's eye is better than +30% mana recovery rate?

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Gryphenprey wrote:

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Quarkbag wrote:

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Silenc42 wrote:

Spoiler

I can confirm that this build works very nicely (after switching from spellslinger VD). The transition to maps is also not really a problem, even without the uniques and with 4Ls.

Something else:
I am still not 100% comfortable with the run, stop, 2-click playstyle. Remembering the days of Scold's VD cwc cyclone, I am about to try this:

Get a 6L staff and drop the trigger socketed spells enchant
Put in cyclone cwc with desecrate and some other skills you need to trigger from time to time; preferrably something with cooldown like cold snap to keep the corpse uptime. (possibly support it with spell cascade)

Put on Stampede boots (safe movement and some mana-reg) to keep the 150% movement speed during cyclone. (Possibly switch to frostblink for instant movement without interrupting cyc; arcane cloak should also not interrupt our spin).

The idea is to not self cast desecrate but rather have it as cast while moving (i.e. cycl cwc). From time to time throw a cremation into the mobs or 3 around the boss. and keep cycling until it's time to cremate again.
I hope it will be smoother and more mobile playstyle.
This should also assure a supply of corpses for Kitava's teachings.

What we loose is the chance to proc Kitava's thirst gems when casting desecrate. It will only proc on cremation. Arcane cloak has no real cost it just spends mana which apparently doesn't count. And I really don't see frostblink costing more than 100 mana without using voidbringer gloves.

What do you think, guys and gals?

P.S. Another, cheaper alternative could be to go mace and shield to keep the cast socketed spell when you use a skill and the res of the shield. Less cwc, more skills from the wand when using arcane cloack or frostblink (and ofc cremation)

How did your tests work. I am a little bit afraid of trying this build exactely because of the run-stop-2click playstyle?

Te issue with trying to automate via CWC Cyclone is that it's still 2 click to Cremate, except now you have to wait for cyclone to proc via CWC gem.

If you want some semi-automation you can put desecrate into the Helmet which will proc on 50% of your Cremation casts. I did this for a while and it's nice enough. Decided it wasn't worth it in the end though. Also for mapping a lot of the time you can forgo casting desecrate as you kill monsters and just use their corpses.

Oh and Cremation only consumes one corpse so you can place 2 or 3 before you need to desecrate again anyways.

EDIT:
Guide updates.
Added Shaper Kill video
Tweaked Gems and Links and added some cool mechanic interaction with Righteous Fire, Trigger Wand, Soul of Arakaali, and a Dousing Flask.
I have moved away from Algor Mortis. I like having Life on gloves and Ele Focus as a DPS support. It's still good for raw damage output though.
Added Increased Crit to helmet for more reliable EO procs
Skyforth's BIS boots
etc...

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Quarkbag wrote:

Hello Mr. Gryph. Thank you very much for the Answer.
I started the league as a Summoner but dont like it that much. Now i want to switch to a caster build and stuggeling between the "Everyone playing VD Spellslinger" and your build right here.

Can you maybe short sum up some Differences and pros / cons compared to the CD Spellslinger if possible.

Also i only have gathered ca. 200 c so far (level 87). Would you recommend your build / is it possible with this kind of investement (f.e. 6 link-Body is 3,3 ex but i could get a 5-link for 30 c. Boots are too expensive so i would go for a rare one, etc.) or would you say "hmm if you only got 200 c just go for VD Spellslinger.
I also wonder if the survivability with 200c is that great when charging in with shield charge. As soon as i start dying a lot its no fun anymore :/

I also wanted to ask: Should we use Clarity even when running the clear Mind jewel. Because if we do that we lose the dmg Buff to spells?

Thanks very much for the cool and awesome Guide. :)

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Manu_333 wrote:

@Gryph: Btw Gryph, I noticed you changed the position of Fevered jewel to the maurauder side with only 2 notables instead of 4. Doesn't that makes you do a lot less damage since the cost of skills are 40% less than with 4 notables ???