3.11 | Carry Me Golems | Carrion/Stone Golem Elementalist | Very Tanky and High DPS summoner

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bigtoaster64 wrote:

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sumfight wrote:

I guess I'm too stupid to understand the always up slam attack of the stone golem, could someone take a look and help me out please?

I have ravenous hoard anointed on my ammy as well, but if that is messing me up I can take that off.

The reason I have 8 harmonies instead of 7 is it still felt like they were doing their default attack with 7, so I tried adding another one.

The ratio is good, and actually you have too much cooldown (lol)

Right now: (1 / 2.07) * 3 = 1.45 > 1.03s cdr, which is good.

But, you could add more attack speed to increase the attack rate. That's actually what makes Stone Golems slam more often. Otherwise they are not really consistent (In fact, Stone Golems aren't really consistent lol).

You can run 7 harmony and one eminence and still be good. Running 6, screw up the ratio, cause the cooldown on some harmony isn't perfect, but it's doable.

The best you could do, is to bring their attack rate to 3.00+, while maintaining a good attack rate/cooldown ratio. At that point, they'll look like little machine guns lol. They'll then be more consistent, and will have less kind-of-downtimes. I did that last league and the 3.00 atk rate break point is awesome.

Edit: They still tend to do their default attack sometimes, but way less when you give them more attack rate. If you want more consistency, use Carrion Golems instead. Base damage a bit is lower, but they attack so fast and they are so consistent, that it match up the damage of Stone Golems pretty quickly. Note that they works better with support Spectres, support zombies and AG (no Primordial Chains) cause of the 50% more damage for 10 non-golems minions mod on Carrion Golems.

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PepoK wrote:

Anyone else have survivability issues?

I have just finished the gear, Brass Dome, 85% chaos resistance, timeless jewel, 20/20 golems, 90% phys reduction, 5.3k HP.

I go to Vaal Temple and the boss destroys me in 3 seconds. My golems die in 2 seconds. How is that possible?

I know I'm using carrions which have weaker defenses, but last league I was owning with them without any issues. Was it all in the cluster jewels? I had renewal and Feasting Fiends. I just wonder if anyone else have these issues.

Thanks

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PepoK wrote:

Anyone else have survivability issues?

I have just finished the gear, Brass Dome, 85% chaos resistance, timeless jewel, 20/20 golems, 90% phys reduction, 5.3k HP.

I go to Vaal Temple and the boss destroys me in 3 seconds. My golems die in 2 seconds. How is that possible?

I know I'm using carrions which have weaker defenses, but last league I was owning with them without any issues. Was it all in the cluster jewels? I had renewal and Feasting Fiends. I just wonder if anyone else have these issues.

Thanks

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Killzu wrote:

Anyone have more input on using The Primordial Chain Amulet?

Im trying to mess around in PoB and for myself the amulet seems to come out to less DPS even without being able to figure out how to enable all the benefits the Carrion Golems are getting from having Spectres (Frenzy, Power Charges, +40% increased attack, movement and cast speed) + Animate Guardian (Endurance Charges, 18% effect of curses, 18%+15% increased damage, 18% increase effect of auras, 10% move speed) -- And thats just the cheap version of AG

Im up to doing T16s but I have been going without Zombies as they are constantly dying, I may shuffle some points around to get Sacrifice and Indomitable Army. If I can make the zombies, spectres and AG much less tedious to manage I cant see any benefit to actually going with the primordial amulet.

Any thoughts?

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AmmarBlueEagle wrote:

Quick question: why pride is not linked to generosity in the guide?

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bigtoaster64 wrote:

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Killzu wrote:

Anyone have more input on using The Primordial Chain Amulet?

Im trying to mess around in PoB and for myself the amulet seems to come out to less DPS even without being able to figure out how to enable all the benefits the Carrion Golems are getting from having Spectres (Frenzy, Power Charges, +40% increased attack, movement and cast speed) + Animate Guardian (Endurance Charges, 18% effect of curses, 18%+15% increased damage, 18% increase effect of auras, 10% move speed) -- And thats just the cheap version of AG

Im up to doing T16s but I have been going without Zombies as they are constantly dying, I may shuffle some points around to get Sacrifice and Indomitable Army. If I can make the zombies, spectres and AG much less tedious to manage I cant see any benefit to actually going with the primordial amulet.

Any thoughts?

Primordial Chain is, in fact less DPS per golem, then a double global +1 gem amulet with support spectres and AG (and support zombies if using Carrion golem). But, you loose 3 golems, so you need to do the math, to see if changing the amulet (with your current gear) is better (total damage: dps_per_golem x nb_golems = total_dps).

Example,
Primordial Chain:
800k DPS per golem
9 golems total, with 7 dps golems
total DPS = 7 * 800k = 5.6mil

+2 Amulet, spectres, AG, etc :
1.5mil DPS per golem
6 golems total, with 4 dps golems
total DPS = 4 * 1.5mil = 6mil (Not really worth it)

And I think PoB doesn't count the 50% more damage of the Carrion Golem, so you have to add it manually.

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Primordial Chains gives a boost to start the build, then you could eventually swap for a +2 gems amulet, with spectres, AG, etc. Especially if using Carrion Golem

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To keep your zombies, spectres, etc. alive, you could invest into more and more gems levels (+3 gems helmet, corruption, empower, etc.) and grab some Dread March notable on medium cluster jewels (I believe it's medium). That way you can bring their life and resistances really high with minimal skill points spent.

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The best time to switch to spectres, AG, zombies, etc. is litterally when you have the resources to keep them alive, otherwise it will be super annoying to manage.