Atlas Changes in 3.10.0

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Marluxiar wrote:

Imagine this situation : a noobie comes to a big streamer doing targeted map farm by planning to not complete some maps. He asks "how can i do the same ?". The answer is : "you cannot little newbie, because you completed maps you should'nt have to do target map farm, and now you can either deal with it or make a new account" and thus the noob felt really bad about missing an opportunity.

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Mark__75 wrote:

I have played 3 builds this league and I perfectly know what is the comfort of playing necro and how not efficient is playing something not meta-related. What you think about playing non-meta builds does not matter - at this moment there are 27% necromancers and 10% guardians - this is 37% for only those two builds (and some other classes also play minions too). Statistics is the true picture of balance in the game. What skills are playable? 18% players use cyclone, but not for typical melee builds but as a great support skill for minion builds (to stack poisons for HOA or just to cast other things due to CWC). The next skills in use: 15% Raise Zombie, 10% Summon Skeletons, 9% Vaal Summon Skeletons, 6% Herald of Agony. Non-minion related offensive skills are few % in the best case and typically less than 1%. Game design is untidy because balance between minion builds and other ones is greatly broken. What is surprising GGG instead of trying to make builds efficiency more comparable, sometimes is nerfing even not great builds especially melee ones. For example few leagues ago I was playing a Heavy Strike Berserker - was not great, was not meta, but I had some fun... now similar build it is not playable at all. Last league I tried to play Molten Strike Juggernaut - not able to do a Blight content... and not great for other things too. This league it seems to be even worst - there is 0.9% Molten Strike in use... but GGG was very happy to nerf MS builds few times already. Surely they are now satisfied.

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Marluxiar wrote:

you're doing exactly what i said : focusing on the meta. Forget about it for a second and think. Is phys cyclone not viable for exemple ? it's so strong it got banned from the melee private league of steelmage and zizaran.
And also what's the point of always playing the most efficient build ? is fun allowed ?
Also some skills can do all content, and some skills can't. Some skills are made to trivialize bosses, some others are made to map faster with shit single target.

The real complaint is about skills that should be viable, but arent.

There is a ton of skills, unique items, support gems, and limitless combinations of them that end up being viable at either fast maping, good boss killing, both, or meme builds.

If you seek perfect efficiency, you'll always end up playing only 1 build. GGG can nerf and buff whatever you want, there will always be a meta and you will always hate it... So why bother ?

But that's not the point of this thread anyways

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Mark__75 wrote:

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Marluxiar wrote:

you're doing exactly what i said : focusing on the meta. Forget about it for a second and think. Is phys cyclone not viable for exemple ? it's so strong it got banned from the melee private league of steelmage and zizaran.
And also what's the point of always playing the most efficient build ? is fun allowed ?
Also some skills can do all content, and some skills can't. Some skills are made to trivialize bosses, some others are made to map faster with shit single target.

The real complaint is about skills that should be viable, but arent.

There is a ton of skills, unique items, support gems, and limitless combinations of them that end up being viable at either fast maping, good boss killing, both, or meme builds.

If you seek perfect efficiency, you'll always end up playing only 1 build. GGG can nerf and buff whatever you want, there will always be a meta and you will always hate it... So why bother ?

But that's not the point of this thread anyways

The game balance is important.
When I have discovered PoE 6 years ago I was so impressed, so happy - so many active skills, so many support gems, so big passive tree... - unlimited combinations and opprotunities. Currently I am not impressed, because most of those things do not provide variability - I have shown some statistics. It is not a fun to play a weak build while the game content is designed for meta-builds with millions DPS and/or massive clear speed, never achievable for many skills, no matter how they are supported, no matter with what passive tree and no matter with what uniques. If 1/3 or more players play similar type builds, means that a game mechanics require an overhaul otherwise there will never be a proper variability of builds and flexibility to play the game in the efficient and enjoyable way for everybody.

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Wulgar55 wrote:

I really don't understand the desire to just farm a single map. To me that is just boring. Do people actually find it fun? Or is it just because it is (was) more efficient/rewarding? What if they added a way to target farm a single map, but it was significantly less rewarding than playing different maps? Would that satisfy the people who want single map farming to come back?

Certainly it was the case previously that the most efficient/rewarding approach was to target farm a specific map, but many people opted to just run various maps because they found it more enjoyable.

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Wulgar55 wrote:

I really don't understand the desire to just farm a single map. To me that is just boring. Do people actually find it fun? Or is it just because it is (was) more efficient/rewarding? What if they added a way to target farm a single map, but it was significantly less rewarding than playing different maps? Would that satisfy the people who want single map farming to come back?

Certainly it was the case previously that the most efficient/rewarding approach was to target farm a specific map, but many people opted to just run various maps because they found it more enjoyable.