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Ghazzy has a PoB that shows (with the new AW) about 10 mil shaper dps with no weapons or chest for pure phys aw

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aWildOzzy wrote:

Ghazzy has a PoB that shows (with the new AW) about 10 mil shaper dps with no weapons or chest for pure phys aw

Got the link? Since his YT went down I have no idea where to find it :D

Really interested to see if cold conversion will be a big DPS boost on his PoB too. Almost sure it will be tho.

EDIT: Nevermind, found his temporary replacement channel :D

Some simple maths for comparison between AW & SRS. They have overall the same type of mechanics.

At lvl 20, AW base damage is 126-184 + 17-80 (lingering blades) = 143-264 (Average 203.5)
Attack speed (assuming glass shank)= 1.5
48 more damage & 48 more attack speed at lvl 20.
Total minions = 14
So base DPS = 203.5 X 1.48 X 1.48 X 14 = 6240.4
100% added damage
Cast speed = 0.6s

At lvl 20, SRS base damage = 222-333 (Average 277.5)
Attack speed = 1.6
Total minions = 20
So base DPS = 277.5 X 1.6 X20 = 8880
15% less added damage
Cast Speed = 0.5s

Hopefully the above is accurate.

AW benefits greatly from flat added damage so the calculation above might not reflect the final overall damage as you can easily scale jewels, gems and carrion golem. And you will need 20 SRS to get that base DPS. If the same number of SRS (14), then the SRS DPS is 6216. Plus you will need to continuously cast SRS while AW has base duration of 40s. So in practical terms, it is very difficult to get those 20 SRS out. While for AW (14), should be much much easier. You get better QOL as well.

Of course the benefit of SRS is that you don't need to have another skill to generate the blades and you can cast them slightly faster.

Anyone knows the survivbility of the AW? From my experience, SRS dies pretty easily from bosses and AOE damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQdPsXIcBRg&t=1s

That's his impromptu youtube channel, and video in particular, while his account is hacked

My issue with it is that his PoB seems to be different than mine, even after I've imported it.

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Mecielle wrote:

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aWildOzzy wrote:

Ghazzy has a PoB that shows (with the new AW) about 10 mil shaper dps with no weapons or chest for pure phys aw

Got the link? Since his YT went down I have no idea where to find it :D

Really interested to see if cold conversion will be a big DPS boost on his PoB too. Almost sure it will be tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQdPsXIcBRg&feature=youtu.be

This video was before gem info. But he did more math on stream after and it's about right.

How's the clear going to be with this anyone know? Ghazzy said if clear is not that great use a elder helm with spectures.

So will the phys AW be stronger than the cold conversion?

My main problem with Ghazzy's video and PoB is that he uses Command of the Pit. While he says its just a slight DPS boost to simulate some of the cluster jewels, it is actually 60% of his total DPS lol. Without the +1000 accurracy the chance to hit of his AW's goes from 100% to 43%.

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aWildOzzy wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQdPsXIcBRg&t=1s

That's his impromptu youtube channel, and video in particular, while his account is hacked

My issue with it is that his PoB seems to be different than mine, even after I've imported it.

I imported his build, changed nothing except to add EE on the tree and switch to cold setup...

His DPS per minion (with Impale): 971k
DPS for Cold Conversion (same tree etc): 982k

Switched out his 2 Cold Iron Points for the minion wand he had in the POB and a non-useful shield.

Anyway yeah, cold does more damage. It's close apparently. However, he does have to be dual wielding CIP and not use a shield so some definite sacrifice in defenses. Also does not include any damage he's losing due to monster armor.

POB I modified: https://pastebin.com/fds9S7cU

Edit: I just realized the setup I changed didn't even have Triad Grip in it. For some reason, taking out the two-socket (!) Command of the Pit from the build he has up causes damage to drop by 75% (!). I'm totally at a loss for what is going on with that. I assume something to do with minion accuracy?

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MoLoK13 wrote:

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aWildOzzy wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQdPsXIcBRg&t=1s

That's his impromptu youtube channel, and video in particular, while his account is hacked

My issue with it is that his PoB seems to be different than mine, even after I've imported it.

I imported his build, changed nothing except to add EE on the tree and switch to cold setup...

His DPS per minion (with Impale): 971k
DPS for Cold Conversion (same tree etc): 982k

Switched out his 2 Cold Iron Points for the minion wand he had in the POB and a non-useful shield.

Anyway yeah, cold does more damage. It's close apparently. However, he does have to be dual wielding CIP and not use a shield so some definite sacrifice in defenses. Also does not include any damage he's losing due to monster armor.

POB I modified: https://pastebin.com/fds9S7cU

Edit: I just realized the setup I changed didn't even have Triad Grip in it. For some reason, taking out the two-socket (!) Command of the Pit from the build he has up causes damage to drop by 75% (!). I'm totally at a loss for what is going on with that. I assume something to do with minion accuracy?

Eh, the shield argument doesn't really pull. Cold loses the glove slot instead, which can be pretty huge for both defense and offense. Not to mention 4 almost useless green sockets in the gloves, so say byebye to a nice AG setup.

EDIT: See my comment earlier... Without the +1000 acc from Command of the Pit his AW chance to hit drops to 43%, from 100%. He fucked up there.

Can be brought back to 90% chance to hit with two T1 acc rolls on Ghastly Jewels. Still the real DPS is a lot lower than he thinks. Kinda wondering how a veteran player missed that.

And don't forget that the two CiP's he uses do nothing in PoB yet. AW doesn't have the physical tag yet. So keep that in mind for any phys vs cold comparison.

EDIT#2: Nevermind, he uses a level 1 AW skill gem. So PoB uses the minion accuracy from that. With a level 20 gem we are back at 100% chance to hit, so Command of the Pit does actually a good job of simulating the real DPS.

Knew he wouldnt make that kind of error, Ghazzy is all about the math :D

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Mecielle wrote:

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MoLoK13 wrote:

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aWildOzzy wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQdPsXIcBRg&t=1s

That's his impromptu youtube channel, and video in particular, while his account is hacked

My issue with it is that his PoB seems to be different than mine, even after I've imported it.

I imported his build, changed nothing except to add EE on the tree and switch to cold setup...

His DPS per minion (with Impale): 971k
DPS for Cold Conversion (same tree etc): 982k

Switched out his 2 Cold Iron Points for the minion wand he had in the POB and a non-useful shield.

Anyway yeah, cold does more damage. It's close apparently. However, he does have to be dual wielding CIP and not use a shield so some definite sacrifice in defenses. Also does not include any damage he's losing due to monster armor.

POB I modified: https://pastebin.com/fds9S7cU

Eh, the shield argument doesn't really pull. Cold loses the glove slot instead, which can be pretty huge for both defense and offense. Not to mention 4 almost useless green sockets in the gloves, so say byebye to a nice AG setup.

EDIT: See my comment earlier... Without the 1000 acc his AW chance to hit drops to 43%, from 100%. He fucked up there.

Can be brought back to 90% chance to hit with two T1 acc rolls on Ghastly Jewels. Still the real DPS is a lot lower than he thinks. Kinda wondering how a veteral player missed that.

Unfortunately I have no way to directly compare DPS against his build because I can't add Triad Grip into his setup without running across the accuracy issue. But I'm getting marginally better DPS just by having Hatred/Bonechill effect, without even doing the full cold conversion to double dip off Hatred...

I'm just going to leave it at that.