[3.11] LL Vortex Occultist (endgame/deep delve optimized)

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birkan_kuyumcu wrote:

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Grozaa wrote:

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birkan_kuyumcu wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/sony/view-profile/birkan_kuyumcu/characters This is my 93 level High-budget char but my ES 9.5k and Vortex DOT 450k. How can you make 11k ES and 1.2M DOT damage?

Note : I looked my vortex dot damage in poe game. not path of building program

You still have 650k shaper dps( and 1.5 million non-shaper dps). In-game dps is not very good for measuring that. However, it is very strange that you haven't allocated Elemental Overload nor Elemental Equilibrium keystones. They are both very important for damage (though for EE a trigger socketed skills wand is needed).
You would gain more ES by using rare 300+ES helmet instead of rime gaze, you are also missing plenty of energy shield nodes on the tree(for example under Foresight).

Elemental Equilibrium = I use frostbite (-45 res) and void beacon (-20 res). Is Elemental Equilibrium worth with these skills? I cannot reach trigger socketed skills craft recipe so I cannot use this ability.

Elemental Overload = I use Controled Destruction Support gems to vortex skill. so my vortex cannot hit critical. How can I benefit from Elemental overload at this situtation?

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birkan_kuyumcu wrote:

How can you kill bosses? For example Sirus?

You dont use a lot of cold/spell damage skills; You can see from my skill tree;

For example;
*Heart of Ice branch
*Storm Weaver branch
*Snowforged branch
*Growth and Decay branch
*Arcanist Dominion branch

In game;
I have 10k energy shield and 500k pure vortex Dot damage (these values are in game - mouse over vortex skill)

I can kill minatour/hydra/phonix etc 1 or 2 minutes

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Grozaa wrote:

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birkan_kuyumcu wrote:

How can you kill bosses? For example Sirus?

You dont use a lot of cold/spell damage skills; You can see from my skill tree;

For example;
*Heart of Ice branch
*Storm Weaver branch
*Snowforged branch
*Growth and Decay branch
*Arcanist Dominion branch

In game;
I have 10k energy shield and 500k pure vortex Dot damage (these values are in game - mouse over vortex skill)

I can kill minatour/hydra/phonix etc 1 or 2 minutes

From the passives you mentioned only growth and decay is worth considering. All of the other you mentioned are totally not worth it since they only have cold damage increase which is not worth in terms of dps per point. Also, they contain some completely useless stats for the build ( lightning damage, crit, cold leech, cold pen, cast speed). You might be better off using cold dot cluster jewels if you are looking for a more efficient way to spend points for dps.
Anyways, as I already told in-game DPS is not a good measure. You actually have 1.3 million shaper DPS with your current tree (which is not bad at all, maybe with very good gear you could get like 2+mil).
https://pastebin.com/9rhMdN6D Your POB for reference

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patouskii wrote:

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Grozaa wrote:

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birkan_kuyumcu wrote:

How can you kill bosses? For example Sirus?

You dont use a lot of cold/spell damage skills; You can see from my skill tree;

For example;
*Heart of Ice branch
*Storm Weaver branch
*Snowforged branch
*Growth and Decay branch
*Arcanist Dominion branch

In game;
I have 10k energy shield and 500k pure vortex Dot damage (these values are in game - mouse over vortex skill)

I can kill minatour/hydra/phonix etc 1 or 2 minutes

From the passives you mentioned only growth and decay is worth considering. All of the other you mentioned are totally not worth it since they only have cold damage increase which is not worth in terms of dps per point. Also, they contain some completely useless stats for the build ( lightning damage, crit, cold leech, cold pen, cast speed). You might be better off using cold dot cluster jewels if you are looking for a more efficient way to spend points for dps.
Anyways, as I already told in-game DPS is not a good measure. You actually have 1.3 million shaper DPS with your current tree (which is not bad at all, maybe with very good gear you could get like 2+mil).
https://pastebin.com/9rhMdN6D Your POB for reference

I've been thinking of ways to improve dot also but the options are very limited without sacrificing too much ES. I lurked over poeninja to see different vortex builds on top players and got few ideas from there. You can modify the tree with intuitive leap/thread of hope jewels which allow you to take nodes without them connecting to your tree. This saved me one passive node while I didn't have to select some mana nodes close to Mystic Bulwark and Prodigal Perfection. Obviously I needed to fit Watcher's Eye elsewhere and picked the cluster socket on top left side of the tree. Got there with three nodes (gained 4 nodes with intuitive leap) since I also took Faith and Steel node on left side of the tree and deselected few ES nodes from elsewhere. It takes 6 nodes to get to Faith and Steel. I lost ~100 ES but gained plenty of resistance, armor and 10% ES recharge rate. I also changed few ES nodes elsewhere to pick two ES nodes next to the start point of witch. Other one of them gives you also 10% ES recharge rate and you actually gain little bit of total ES also with these two nodes compared to +5% increased ES elsewhere.

Another option is not to use intuitive leap, drop four ES nodes elsewhere and pick the cluster jewel socket on top left of the tree. Obviously you need strong jewel with cold dot over time, faster start of es recharge and increased ES for this option. I lose ~200 es with this option but through jewel gain some dot, dexterity and 6% faster ES recharge start which is really important for this build.

I would also love to fit aspect of the spider on the build but there's not enough mana unless you go for the Sovereignty wheel. I also run flame golem instead of portal on the shield. It gives little bit dot but dies very often so not very useful. I also tried second wind and faster casting there, both work fine.

I tested in PoB and Heart of Ice gives most dot improvement with least nodes used. You can get there with 4 nodes. Yes, Growth and Decay gives slightly more dot but it takes 6 nodes to get there. Obviously most dot improvement you'd gain by dropping either temp chains or enfeeble and replacing it with frostbite or elemental weakness but this takes too much out of defense IMO.

I also tested without Arcane Vision. Dark maps are not as comfortable to play without it but you can do them anyway. Still decided to keep arcane vision selected.

Currently at 13,2k ES and 1,57 million dot dps. If you select frenzy charges on configuration, dot raises to 1,76. Frenzy charges are active while mapping obviously. The build is very strong already but it's always nice to try to min/max builds. I've done Sirus aw8 and Uber Elder deathless with the build. Delve is almost at depth 400 now and starts to get dangerous at some encounters but haven't died there yet.

My current PoB: https://pastebin.com/P7tR4VNn

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MindR wrote:

If you are really curious to what you can do with the treeand good gear, you can look at this: https://pastebin.com/dYsJyxb1
5M shaper dps, 8m+ normal dps.
Achievable yes, easily no. I've had good luck this league, but this is doable with a rare shield.
The points are not correct due to going EB over CI for Lethal Pride. This is just to properly reflect stats.

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patouskii wrote:

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MindR wrote:

If you are really curious to what you can do with the treeand good gear, you can look at this: https://pastebin.com/dYsJyxb1
5M shaper dps, 8m+ normal dps.
Achievable yes, easily no. I've had good luck this league, but this is doable with a rare shield.
The points are not correct due to going EB over CI for Lethal Pride. This is just to properly reflect stats.

That's impressive! I like what you did with the thread of hope there, might need to give that one a try. Your 1h and shield are very impressive also. You have managed to roll +1 cold spell gems to shield with the +5 on block. I knew it was possible :) Also frostbite on hit on 1h.. very nice. It's clear that gaining levels on Vortex gives you biggest improvements on dps, it scales so well with levels.

I just picked up shavronne's with corrupt implicit +2 to socketed aoe gems. Cost a lot but it was worth it. This took me over 2 mil dot dps and still using temp chains and enfeeble. I like that the build feels so safe and tanky, especially now with immortal call added. I see you have +2 on duration gems also, very nice implicits there. There's one such shav's for sale in standard costing 2500 exalteds. Another one with +1 on socketed gems and +2 on AoE with 2 mirrors... so not gonna happen.

I play standard so cluster jewels are still out of my reach. Of course If I swap my defensive curses to offensive ones, I get +1,2 mil dot dps right away and it would take me to 3,2 mil dps.

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patouskii wrote:

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MindR wrote:

If you are really curious to what you can do with the treeand good gear, you can look at this: https://pastebin.com/dYsJyxb1
5M shaper dps, 8m+ normal dps.
Achievable yes, easily no. I've had good luck this league, but this is doable with a rare shield.
The points are not correct due to going EB over CI for Lethal Pride. This is just to properly reflect stats.

That's impressive! I like what you did with the thread of hope there, might need to give that one a try. Your 1h and shield are very impressive also. You have managed to roll +1 cold spell gems to shield with the +5 on block. I knew it was possible :) Also frostbite on hit on 1h.. very nice. It's clear that gaining levels on Vortex gives you biggest improvements on dps, it scales so well with levels.

I just picked up shavronne's with corrupt implicit +2 to socketed aoe gems. Cost a lot but it was worth it. This took me over 2 mil dot dps and still using temp chains and enfeeble. I like that the build feels so safe and tanky, especially now with immortal call added. I see you have +2 on duration gems also, very nice implicits there. There's one such shav's for sale in standard costing 2500 exalteds. Another one with +1 on socketed gems and +2 on AoE with 2 mirrors... so not gonna happen.

I play standard so cluster jewels are still out of my reach. Of course If I swap my defensive curses to offensive ones, I get +1,2 mil dot dps right away and it would take me to 3,2 mil dps.