0.10.3c Patch Notes

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MajorThor wrote:

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Kortak wrote:

Loot system is still retarded because you dont let the people themself decide how they want loot distributed

Party leader should set the loot options/timers etc..


ah well.. still playing solo as long as this FFA sjit is happening

The loot system is still retarded because it's trying to cater to all the MMO fanboys who want dedicated loot instead of having to fight tooth and nail for gear. Diablo 2's loot system was perfect: First Come, First Served. CUTTHROAT, which is what GGG initially said they wanted. Now it's this wannabe MMO-esk carebear loot system and it's getting worse.

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MajorThor wrote:

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Harmster wrote:

Good call, couldn't agree more.

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you dont let the people themself decide how they want loot distributed

I just felt like adding this, ARPGS aren't MMOs where you can change how loot is given...I cannot even put into words just how overbearingly maddening it is to hear that the new generation of ARPGs fanbase don't want to actually work for it (gear.)

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MajorThor wrote:

...instead of having to fight tooth and nail for gear.

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MajorThor wrote:

CUTTHROAT, which is what GGG initially said they wanted.

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MajorThor wrote:

...don't want to actually work for it (gear.)

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wrathmar wrote:

Which is why they need to add the ability to go hostile if someone grabs your allocated loot; Cut Throat!

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mushioov wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

Whaaat?

He only read the "They made it more FFA" part and disregarded the rest, like a true ADHD-warrior would.

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Kortak wrote:

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riptid3 wrote:

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Thalandor wrote:

Has anyone considered how new players will have little clue as to how looting works, since there's no timer/names? Not everyone read these boards... They'll catch on eventually, but its really not intuitive.

There's nothing they need to know. If the loot is grayed out they can't get it, once it's no longer grayed it's fair game. I think it's you that does not understand how looting works, despite it being intuitive.

your opinion.. this loot system is from the dark ages and thousands of games have already evolved to much better loot options.

Still GGG wants to keep this old ninja loot system with no choices

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GhostlightX wrote:

Things change. People evolve. Otherwise we'd all still be dragging our knuckles along and picking insects out our buttholes. Don't fear change (or get mad at it). It's almost always positive. And it is built into our nature to improve ourselves. And finally....it is inevitable.

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Egren wrote:

tl;dr, I believe this change was for the worse. Let the loot rules be set by the party, don't force the players into something they don't like.


This turned into quite the wall of text. I apologize, but I didn't want to leave anything out. the tl;dr above still pretty much sums my opinions up. Below is my explanation.

I appreciate the attempt of making the game more enjoyable through this kind of changes, but this time, I would have to say it was a miss.

###How it was then

One of the issues when playing in a party is that other people, if you're not fast enough, can simply take the items that were meant for YOU. While some might like the competitiveness of this mechanic, it makes it *unfun* to join public parties since, well, that Divine Orb that just dropped was meant for you, but someone else just took it because you weren't fast enough!

This is why, when I (and probably MANY others) play, I only play with friends I know I can trust. This in turn means I'm usually playing solo or with one or two friends. I would love to team up with more people but I don't want them stealing my items.
It still isn't perfect, since some items don't belong to a player when dropped, and alot of those still hold considerable value. Which makes it impossible to solve who gets the item, apart from, yes, simply DIVING for that item (yet again an unfun mechanic).


###How it is now
Extending the timer on the items was a good thing, but I believe everything other change to the loot rules was wrong. Here's why:
1. Removing the nametags from the items: On alot of occasions, I've seen a rare/unique/orb that belongs to another player, but he or she doesn't see it. In my play group we used to let that player know there is a (potentially) valuable item that belongs to them. This is now impossible, as I can't tell which of my friends actually has dibs on that item! This causes alot of frustration for us, since we want to honor the nametags, but now it's become impossible at times. This already happens with items that drop when NO ONE sees it. But the change has made this happen even when one or even several people see the item.

2. Making magic items free for all: This change is what I was most surprised about. Like I said, in my play group we don't like that we *have* to dive for valueable items because it doesn't belong to anyone. This includes any 6-socketed items (7 jeweller's is worth nearly 1 chaos), and then even worse for 5-links and ugh, 6-links.

Before, I was actually hoping that EVERY SINGLE ITEM that dropped would have a name tag on it, so that these "problems" would NEVER occur when playing with my friends. My jaw literally dropped (That's gonna take some extensive surgery right there) when i read the patch notes that name tags had been removed from magic items.


Before I end this, I'd like to explicitly answer your feedback questions:

1. Was it easier to read what items drop now that fewer are allocated and the size of the item hovers doesn't change?
For me (we're usually only 2-4 players so the quantity of items isn't that insane) it's become slightly worse, but trimming down the textbox sizes does have it's merits. I'd like to see some minor change to the text on the grayed out items though, to more easily discern them from what's actually yours. (make items allocated to other players more visually discinct from "your" items, perhaps by a red line under the item name, or whatever)

Does the increased allocation duration help enough in terms of being able to grab items in time assuming you react quickly?
Yes. But I still don't like the timer at all. I wish there could be a cleaner solution. (letting each party change these settings as they see fit would make everyone happy!)