[3.13] HC/SC/SSF All Content Miner - Any Mine Skill - LL/CI - 12k ES w/ Videos!

Hi all, first time icicle miner here.

Started building this today after dumping my Ball Lightning miner, it was too slow for me I wanted something with faster map clear.

I know my gear is shit right now, I just want some opinions on where to improve next, like what takes top priority? OTHER than weapon and 2nd ring, those are just placeholder items while I wait for some stuff to sell so I can have more currency for more purchases.

Some notes;

1) had a hell of a hard time finding good ES Elder rings to pair with Mark of the Shaper so I'm going Lantern route for now.

2) So many different ways to build damage on weapon, what's the best balance between cost and damage? i don't want to spend multiple ex on it right now.

3) Why do we use level 1 clarity?

4) Do we all spec into Zealots Oath now? I see a lot of variation whether people are spec;ing through the upper middle of the skill tree at all.

5) How do we have enough to have 3 auras reserving life in the shield and then another 2 in Clarity and Precision?

Last edited by Goldenhawk07 on Jan 28, 2020, 4:57:31 PM
I've been testing out Thread of Hope, and think it's very effective in the jewel slot next to Instability. A large radius allows you to pick up Heart of Ice, Utmost Intellect, Arcane Focus, Deep Wisdom, and Arcanist's Dominion. I dropped Faith and Steel and repathed the shadow start to save a couple points.

Do you think the pathing I used was optimal or do you think I should change my pathing structure when going for that jewel socket?
Profile is public or you can check this PoB: https://pastebin.com/2z2CUMpr (all the nodes allocated from Thread of Hope are on the amulet because I couldn't figure out how else to allocate them).

A few other questions as I've been trying out different variations:

-Is Destructive Apparatus at all worth it defensively?
-Do you ever switch to Minefield over Swift Assembly with high throw speed (ex. helm enchant + nodes/jewels)?
-Is Malachai's Artifice worth using if going for the most DPS? I know you've stated -res was less effective than penetration, but is a large chunk like this worth a ring slot (say over Mark of the Shaper)?

As a side note, Tempered Flesh works really well in the jewel slot below Faith and Steel (better than going for Throatseeker). A good budget option until getting a good Watcher's Eye at the very least.

Appreciate your thoughts as I've been enjoying the build immensely.
Last edited by Myrales on Jan 28, 2020, 4:50:19 PM
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NGXIS wrote:
Hi again, thanks for your answers to my questions. I have another doubt. Cast speed works like "Mine throwing speed"? Because I look for google but doesn't says anything and on gamepedia neither.


It does not.
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Goldenhawk07 wrote:
Hi all, first time icicle miner here.

Started building this today after dumping my Ball Lightning miner, it was too slow for me I wanted something with faster map clear.

I know my gear is shit right now, I just want some opinions on where to improve next, like what takes top priority? OTHER than weapon and 2nd ring, those are just placeholder items while I wait for some stuff to sell so I can have more currency for more purchases.

Some notes;

1) had a hell of a hard time finding good ES Elder rings to pair with Mark of the Shaper so I'm going Lantern route for now.

2) So many different ways to build damage on weapon, what's the best balance between cost and damage? i don't want to spend multiple ex on it right now.

3) Why do we use level 1 clarity?

4) Do we all spec into Zealots Oath now? I see a lot of variation whether people are spec;ing through the upper middle of the skill tree at all.

5) How do we have enough to have 3 auras reserving life in the shield and then another 2 in Clarity and Precision?



1. That’s fine, ES rings just using the flat ES is fine.

2. It all depends on other gear. I’ve posted quite a few weapon searches in the thread that should turn up good weapons for under 1ex.

3. It’s used in conjunction with a clarity watchers eye to pick up extra ES - very expensive

4. You need either ZO, or sorrow of the divine IMO, take your pick.

5. Need to take the reduced mana reserved cluster. Under shadow.
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Myrales wrote:
I've been testing out Thread of Hope, and think it's very effective in the jewel slot next to Instability. A large radius allows you to pick up Heart of Ice, Utmost Intellect, Arcane Focus, Deep Wisdom, and Arcanist's Dominion. I dropped Faith and Steel and repathed the shadow start to save a couple points.

Do you think the pathing I used was optimal or do you think I should change my pathing structure when going for that jewel socket?
Profile is public or you can check this PoB: https://pastebin.com/2z2CUMpr (all the nodes allocated from Thread of Hope are on the amulet because I couldn't figure out how else to allocate them).

A few other questions as I've been trying out different variations:

-Is Destructive Apparatus at all worth it defensively?
-Do you ever switch to Minefield over Swift Assembly with high throw speed (ex. helm enchant + nodes/jewels)?
-Is Malachai's Artifice worth using if going for the most DPS? I know you've stated -res was less effective than penetration, but is a large chunk like this worth a ring slot (say over Mark of the Shaper)?

As a side note, Tempered Flesh works really well in the jewel slot below Faith and Steel (better than going for Throatseeker). A good budget option until getting a good Watcher's Eye at the very least.

Appreciate your thoughts as I've been enjoying the build immensely.


It works, but point wise it usually isn’t worth the investment. At least from what I’ve tested you can always get more dps or ehp by not using it. Also, this season the prism guardian setup is more effective which makes pathing to that jewel socket a bad call since you want to use the ZO tree.

Not a huge fan of tempered flesh, but it can work.

Malachais is not worth it imo.

Minefield is good on paper but awful in practice, will produce lower dps every time.
Appreciate the quick response.

Good to know regarding Minefield and Malachai’s Artifice. You’re right, Tempered Flesh is just a budget option, but it’s a good budget option imo.

Regarding the Thread of Hope pathing, I am using the ZO tree you made for Prism Guardian. You can path over the top of Unnatural Calm for the same amount of points, and then it’s only 4 more points to get the specific jewel socket. Each point after that is fantastic, Heart of Ice more than makes up for dropping the shadow start DPS nodes. Arcane Focus and Utmost Intellect make up for a few ES nodes (I dropped Faith and Steel). Arcanist’s Dominion and Deep Wisdom I’m less sure of, but seem worth a point each when you’re already there.

You could still be right that it’s not worth the 4 travel points to the jewel socket, but it seems better than the alternatives in terms of balancing eHP and DPS to me. Taking all the ES nodes near Foresight for example is slightly more ES but much less DPS. Part of it depends on how much additional intelligence Utmost Intellect provides, for me it’s like a 15% ES node.
Last edited by Myrales on Jan 28, 2020, 7:17:39 PM
Updated my gear a fair bit, I'm having mana issues though. Not enough even to be casting phase run or reserve enough for max mines, i run out basically right away now.

I'm running basically all the auras.

What should I drop or otherwise how can I fix these issues?

Also do we have any way to add a bunch of QoL increased movement and throwing/detonation speed?

Finally, should I spec out of Shadows and into Demolitions?

Last edited by Goldenhawk07 on Jan 28, 2020, 8:46:31 PM
Ok, so we don't need cast speed, that's fine.

Another thing. What about a "Circle of Fear Sapphire Ring" with:

# (40-60)% increased Cold Damage while affected by Herald of Ice
# +(50-60)% to Cold Resistance while affected by Herald of Ice


Cold resistance because if I use so many uniques, will help to cap resistances and not worry about cold (and will try to cap chaos resistance)

Besides that, can have up to 3 implicit (or 4?), what about atleast 2 implicit with:

# +10% Cold dmg/Elemental dmg/Damage
# +4-10% Increased maximum energy shield
# +% Critical strike multiplier


I think if this ring give damage like the Mark of the Shaper Ring (+70%), can give energy shield too and have like +75% cold resistance, will be a good option, but that depends if worth change one of our aura gems and Herald of Ice takes his place.
Last edited by NGXIS on Jan 28, 2020, 9:47:44 PM
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Myrales wrote:
Appreciate the quick response.

Good to know regarding Minefield and Malachai’s Artifice. You’re right, Tempered Flesh is just a budget option, but it’s a good budget option imo.

Regarding the Thread of Hope pathing, I am using the ZO tree you made for Prism Guardian. You can path over the top of Unnatural Calm for the same amount of points, and then it’s only 4 more points to get the specific jewel socket. Each point after that is fantastic, Heart of Ice more than makes up for dropping the shadow start DPS nodes. Arcane Focus and Utmost Intellect make up for a few ES nodes (I dropped Faith and Steel). Arcanist’s Dominion and Deep Wisdom I’m less sure of, but seem worth a point each when you’re already there.

You could still be right that it’s not worth the 4 travel points to the jewel socket, but it seems better than the alternatives in terms of balancing eHP and DPS to me. Taking all the ES nodes near Foresight for example is slightly more ES but much less DPS. Part of it depends on how much additional intelligence Utmost Intellect provides, for me it’s like a 15% ES node.


Hmm, I tested it earlier in the league and always lost both ehp and dps when I used the points for that. Could have been wrong on it, but I’d check it in pob to be sure. It’s 4 travel points and also 4 nodes to spec the passives.

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NGXIS wrote:
Ok, so we don't need cast speed, that's fine.

Another thing. What about a "Circle of Fear Sapphire Ring" with:

# (40-60)% increased Cold Damage while affected by Herald of Ice
# +(50-60)% to Cold Resistance while affected by Herald of Ice


Cold resistance because if I use so many uniques, will help to cap resistances and not worry about cold (and will try to cap chaos resistance)

Besides that, can have up to 3 implicit (or 4?), what about atleast 2 implicit with:

# +10% Cold dmg/Elemental dmg/Damage
# +4-10% Increased maximum energy shield
# +% Critical strike multiplier


I think if this ring give damage like the Mark of the Shaper Ring (+70%), can give energy shield too and have like +75% cold resistance, will be a good option, but that depends if worth change one of our aura gems and Herald of Ice takes his place.


Herald of ice is pretty bad for the build. Can’t use half of the passive and ring slots provide a crap ton of dps for us. I’d take a pass.

If you are looking for ideal ring setups, it’s possible to forgo mark of the shaper for double shaper/redeemer + elder opals and end up with 90+ elemental damage, crit multi, ES and ES% on each. Mark of the shaper is certainly easier and cheaper though.

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