[3.13] HC/SC/SSF All Content Miner - Any Mine Skill - LL/CI - 12k ES w/ Videos!

What CI has to do with DMG? It does not affect our dmg or I'm missing something here?

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zaboleqqq wrote:

What CI has to do with DMG? It does not affect our dmg or I'm missing something here?

With LL you have 30% more spell damage, and you can use one more Zealotry aura, which gives you more spell damage and cirt chance.

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BeerLeague wrote:

It does not. Outside of some weird legacy shit, machina mitts are the only way for mines to leach to you.

Hey Beer, thanks for the guide and for being so responsive to questions here - it's awesome!

This is my first miner, and I know that mines don't count as "you" (i.e. 100% up-time on any "if you haven't" mods), but I still find myself a tad confused at times as to precisely which stats work with mines and which don't.

For example: do the base stats of the weapon (speed, dmg, crit) do anything, or is it just a stat stick? Does cast speed affect us at all, or only "mine throwing speed"? Atziri's Promise reads: "2% of Chaos Damage Leeched as Life during Flask effect"... this does not say "your" damage, so I assumed it would work for us. (just like the ring mod "adds # fire damage" works)

Do you think it would be worthwhile to add a short section on this topic to the guide? Or maybe a link to an existing summary of this topic if it would be too much info/detail for the guide.

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zaboleqqq wrote:

Hi,

Two questions:

1. How we are suppose to run icicle for clear and pyroclast for bosses? Colors are different for both setups. I guess white sockets in armor are the only way here? 6L with white sockets and some ress cost like 2.5 Ex as far as I remember right now.

2. Why not mom+acro+phase_acro? Do you think that CI is the only way in current league? LL is quite expensive compared to CI without Shavs. Is chaos damage such a big problem because of metamorph bosses?

1. There is a section in the guide for this. It’s possible to use both setups with a slight change in gems without white sockets.

2. Life sucks on the right side of the tree. Phase acro with a life build will randomly get 1 shot all over the place as you have no mitigation. If you don’t mind dying all the time, it’s fine, the damage is the same as the CI version. CI on the other hand allows you to be immune to chaos which is huge and also allows for a greater life pool. You are looking at around 9k ES even on pretty crap gear compared to 6k life max - even with a Koams.

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BeerLeague wrote:

2. Life sucks on the right side of the tree. Phase acro with a life build will randomly get 1 shot all over the place as you have no mitigation. If you don’t mind dying all the time, it’s fine, the damage is the same as the CI version. CI on the other hand allows you to be immune to chaos which is huge and also allows for a greater life pool. You are looking at around 9k ES even on pretty crap gear compared to 6k life max - even with a Koams.

I agree Life version is squishy as hell, but it has more DPS than even a LL version while cheaper. LL has around 40% more dps than CI right?

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zZDeathAngelZz wrote:

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BeerLeague wrote:

2. Life sucks on the right side of the tree. Phase acro with a life build will randomly get 1 shot all over the place as you have no mitigation. If you don’t mind dying all the time, it’s fine, the damage is the same as the CI version. CI on the other hand allows you to be immune to chaos which is huge and also allows for a greater life pool. You are looking at around 9k ES even on pretty crap gear compared to 6k life max - even with a Koams.

I agree Life version is squishy as hell, but it has more DPS than even a LL version while cheaper. LL has around 40% more dps than CI right?

That just isnt true at all. There is no way a life build has more dps, it doesn't have anything going for it in the dps department that CI/LL doesnt get at all.

If you are talking about using a staff, CI and LL can do that too, it just lowers their EHP, just like it does w/ a life build.

CI and Life end up costing around the same (cheap), can have similar dps, but life can't get close to the EHP of CI.

LL will have between 30-55% more dps depending on what auras you want to run.

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BeerLeague wrote:

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zZDeathAngelZz wrote:

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BeerLeague wrote:

2. Life sucks on the right side of the tree. Phase acro with a life build will randomly get 1 shot all over the place as you have no mitigation. If you don’t mind dying all the time, it’s fine, the damage is the same as the CI version. CI on the other hand allows you to be immune to chaos which is huge and also allows for a greater life pool. You are looking at around 9k ES even on pretty crap gear compared to 6k life max - even with a Koams.

I agree Life version is squishy as hell, but it has more DPS than even a LL version while cheaper. LL has around 40% more dps than CI right?

That just isnt true at all. There is no way a life build has more dps, it doesn't have anything going for it in the dps department that CI/LL doesnt get at all.

If you are talking about using a staff, CI and LL can do that too, it just lowers their EHP, just like it does w/ a life build.

CI and Life end up costing around the same (cheap), can have similar dps, but life can't get close to the EHP of CI.

LL will have between 30-55% more dps depending on what auras you want to run.

The Life base has much more access to dps items with less penalty in EHP compared to LL version.

If you use dual wand, you get around 30% more dps than a shield. In life base you lost like 200-300hp, in LL you lost like 1700ES!

The 2 abyss sockets boots give around 10% more dps with good life.

The amulet can gives around 18% more dps compared to chayula while still having life. Replace chayula by rare will cost you 1000ES.

The life tree is very close to Piercing shot, you don't need to replace skill gems for clearing. I personally like that so I have to anointe piercing shot on chayula.

You get more skill points to allocate dps.

I switched to ES because I'm bad at avoiding Sirus skill and died randomly, but yeah I had more dps in life base with a rare armor compared to this +2 Shavronne.

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zZDeathAngelZz wrote:

The Life base has much more access to dps items with less penalty in EHP compared to LL version.

If you use dual wand, you get around 30% more dps than a shield. In life base you lost like 200-300hp, in LL you lost like 1700ES!

The 2 abyss sockets boots give around 10% more dps with good life.

The amulet can gives around 18% more dps compared to chayula while still having life. Replace chayula by rare will cost you 1000ES.

The life tree is very close to Piercing shot, you don't need to replace skill gems for clearing. I personally like that so I have to anointe piercing shot on chayula.

You get more skill points to allocate dps.

I switched to ES because I'm bad at avoiding Sirus skill and died randomly, but yeah I had more dps in life base with a rare armor compared to this +2 Shavronne.

That simply isnt true at all.

Sure the CI and LL version CAN give up EHP for dps, but they dont have to.

With the life version you can't really make it tanky, so there isnt any other way to build it other than 5k/6k hp getting one shot all over the place. You can do the same w/ CI/LL and choose to go double wand, dps necklace etc.

Also, this build should be pathing right next to piercing shot; its a garbage node though as pierce is a better gem than chain anyway.

Skill points allocated are also the same if you are trying to balance dps and survival.

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BeerLeague wrote:

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zZDeathAngelZz wrote:

The Life base has much more access to dps items with less penalty in EHP compared to LL version.

If you use dual wand, you get around 30% more dps than a shield. In life base you lost like 200-300hp, in LL you lost like 1700ES!

The 2 abyss sockets boots give around 10% more dps with good life.

The amulet can gives around 18% more dps compared to chayula while still having life. Replace chayula by rare will cost you 1000ES.

The life tree is very close to Piercing shot, you don't need to replace skill gems for clearing. I personally like that so I have to anointe piercing shot on chayula.

You get more skill points to allocate dps.

I switched to ES because I'm bad at avoiding Sirus skill and died randomly, but yeah I had more dps in life base with a rare armor compared to this +2 Shavronne.

That simply isnt true at all.

Sure the CI and LL version CAN give up EHP for dps, but they dont have to.

With the life version you can't really make it tanky, so there isnt any other way to build it other than 5k/6k hp getting one shot all over the place. You can do the same w/ CI/LL and choose to go double wand, dps necklace etc.

Also, this build should be pathing right next to piercing shot; its a garbage node though as pierce is a better gem than chain anyway.

Skill points allocated are also the same if you are trying to balance dps and survival.

If I use double wand and dps necklace, I only have like 6k3 ES and no defense mechanic, even worse than life base.

Here is my POB with life base 5K, 947K/mine, rare armor
https://pastebin.com/9q7x2Gji
Here is my POB with LL 9K,773k/mine, +2 shavron
https://pastebin.com/L4ij5bmZ

Can you check what's wrong with my LL build?

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Greedss wrote:

Hello Bear .
I saw that with empower lv 4 my dps skyrocket, gonna work on that and replace inspiration.

I was curious about this as Empower (lv4) shows less DPS for me than Inspiration. So I imported your build and it's less for yours as well.

When you have Inspiration socketed, you need to check the 'Do you use Inspiration Charges?' on the config page.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but it looks like Inspiration w/5 charges always gives more PoB DPS than lv4 Empower. It appears you need a lv5 Empower to beat Inspiration.

Unless you somehow already had 100% crit chance, but even Beer's standard character with 19 mines active does not have 100% effective crit chance w/o Inspiration (and it is better than Empower in this case as well).

FYI I'm using LocalIdentity's forked version of PoB... not sure if the Inspiration charges work correctly in the normal version or not.