[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Skylardin wrote:

Large clusters jewels don't exist too. I try buy it with Disorienting Display on top but DS is on bottom. Thats need 4 more pasives

If the market is dead, you can just craft them yourself. You need an ilvl 79-83 cold cluster with 8 nodes, and then just chaos spam it. CraftOfExile lies when it estimates its success chance at something like 300c. Back in Delirium we tested it, and it was something like 1500c on average to craft CttC+PH+Widespread, although the sample size wasn't big: I made 3, and another guy made 3 or 4. I did get lucky with one of mine at about 200c, but the others took a whole lot more. Still, if the currency keeps accumulating, and there is nothing for sale, why not?

Chaos spamming CttC+PH+random (i.e. you have to spend 2 extra skill points) is not hard to all. That's another option.

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Spurnshadow wrote:

I'm currently in the process of trying out your build. So far, I like it and what I see in your guide looks clever.

However, I see a couple flaws, correct me if I'm wrong.

1) you have a large cluster jewel located above the +4% mana node. The build has plenty of mana. You may have had this node allocated while levelling in order to move along the Split personality jewel, but when you get the end cluster node, the one in question should probably be moved to the +6% elemental damage node.

2) I see a couple spots where you are converting 1 passive skill from dex to int or using standard jewels. While some of them might be powerful ( and expensive), would it not be more economical and more damage to use 3 grand spectrum jewels for 135% increased elemental damage?

That's it. I look forward to leveling up the build.

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Cjin wrote:

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Spurnshadow wrote:

I'm currently in the process of trying out your build. So far, I like it and what I see in your guide looks clever.

However, I see a couple flaws, correct me if I'm wrong.

1) you have a large cluster jewel located above the +4% mana node. The build has plenty of mana. You may have had this node allocated while levelling in order to move along the Split personality jewel, but when you get the end cluster node, the one in question should probably be moved to the +6% elemental damage node.

2) I see a couple spots where you are converting 1 passive skill from dex to int or using standard jewels. While some of them might be powerful ( and expensive), would it not be more economical and more damage to use 3 grand spectrum jewels for 135% increased elemental damage?

That's it. I look forward to leveling up the build.

1) The goal is to have both. This is very passive point hungry build and you wont be getting everything you would like to get. At the point you can get only one, damage is better.

2) You can sim it with PoB, but I think grand spectrum is not as good as you think. For this build. One of the biggest mistakes new players do when starting this build, or maybe not mistake but misvaluation, is how strong stat +int really is. Its relatively easy to have around +100% increased int in late game gear. That gives you Staff: 1%dmg/10int, Amulet:1%dmg/15int, Tranquility annoinment: 0.3%dmg/5int, Cold to the Core clusters: 1%dmg/25int per jewel. Also Icestorm itself gains 2-4 base damage per 10int. And on top of that you get little bit of extra ES.

So changing 3 Fertile Minds/Brute Forces you loose some 100int per jewel (lets say 20int from gem and 30int from other nodes). That is about 104% increased dmg so grand spectrums come only 31% better. And this is not counting the base damage increase at all. 31% higher increased damage is not that much when you aleready have some 800-1000% increased damage. Definitely not enough to surpass the increased base damage icestorm gets from that int.

Now you could argue that you can refund the passive points from the str/dex nodes since you no longer need them. Problem here is most of those nodes you need to take to get the pathing so you can't refund them. The +30 nodes are really only ones you can really refund, not really enough to get some important major node so you probably are gonna end up using them for 10int nodes. That is gonna give you some 25-30% increased damage, but still not nearly enough to offset the increased base damage you get with fertile/brute jewels.

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Spurnshadow wrote:

You should still change the cluster jewel location from top right to top left. Is there any particular reason you haven't allocated Breath of Rime or Snowforged? I'm guessing it's just because you're getting up there on skill points.

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Spurnshadow wrote:

You should still change the cluster jewel location from top right to top left. Is there any particular reason you haven't allocated Breath of Rime or Snowforged? I'm guessing it's just because you're getting up there on skill points.

The difference between top-left and top-right is negligible. I think I picked top-right at the time because a little more ES was better for surviving Sirus and Baran.

I forgot to update the top post with the final tree I went with: a variation of the original 3.10 @Breken tree. You can see it in my profile or the PoB for the T19 video. It takes both of those cluster locations.

Snowforged and Breath of Rime can be taken temporarily while leveling, when you don't have 3 points for the next Brute Force or Fertile Mind. Each of those is a decent power spike worth 3 points. You can check in PoB and see exactly how much damage and ES each node gives.

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Kelvynn wrote:

Build update

Final update after 3.12. Added the final PoB with detailed notes on the final levels. Switched to the @Breken style tree, as it proved to be the most efficient. Moved Jewels to a separate section with more details on the cluster jewels. Updated Gear, Gems, Sockets/Links, Auras to what worked the best.