[3.25] Scourge Arrow Poison Prolif Pathfinder - Fast, tanky, fun to play

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artradis wrote:

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axiomatiks wrote:

I got lucky in my first Simulacrum encounter and got my hands on a Voices cluster jewel (3 medium sockets). I followed the POB closely up to the 90 point variant. What would you guys suggest I do now? Should I respec and use some of the cluster jewels mentioned? Or should I just sell? It's around 2.7-3ex atm.

I would recommend to sell it ASAP. As with any uniques their price will drop as the league goes along, particularly league-specific ones (their sense of rarity is usually blown up in early league). The price of Voices (all variations) will drop rapidly as more players are reaching their Simulacrum encounters. The ~3 ex are more worth for investment in gear such as Darkscorn, Glorious Vanity, Circle of Nostaglia and so on.

Thanks. Sold it for 2.3 EX. Might upgrade to darkscorn. Would you recommend that over the crafted bow?

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axiomatiks wrote:

Thanks. Sold it for 2.3 EX. Might upgrade to darkscorn. Would you recommend that over the crafted bow?

Yes. As discussed a few posts ago this build(/any evasion/ranger build) is in essence a bit squishy (but fast, evasive and high damage), and the 25% phys to chaos on Darkscorn a huge mitigation alongside Divine Flesh, and we don't have too many other mitigation mechanisms to fall back on (I see evasion as orthogonal to damage mitigation). Moreover, even a near-perfect delve bow is not magnitudes better than the Darkscorn, so the latter is a great mix of damage and defense, imo.

Hi, so it's my first time typing something in forums but i'm really interested what i'm doing wrong. I was trying to look at answers and comparing my build to others but i really don't know why my damage is so low. So i'm asking you can you tell me what to do next?

I'm trying to get circle of nostalgia ring and make 6l bow and chestplate.

Pastebin : https://pastebin.com/hYjX0NBA

Also my character if it's gonna help even a little:
https://poe-profile.info/profile/KyfekXD?realm=pc

I still don't see how the OP and others are above 5M DPS. I input having a circle of nostalgia with increase buff effect and increased chaos damage (which I don't have) and I'm still only at 1.9M DPS. I have very similar gear, even have the scourge arrow helm enchant. My clear is pretty good even at t8 - t9, haven't got to red maps yet. I even added a bunch more jewel slots in my POB and crafted attack speed from bows and poison damage and put them in every slot and still that only gets up to about 2.6M DPS. I have no clue how you guys are getting higher, I'm using the POB Fork too btw.

https://pastebin.com/6L5Wn0nZ

any cheap armor suggestions

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Simmadown wrote:

I still don't see how the OP and others are above 5M DPS. I input having a circle of nostalgia with increase buff effect and increased chaos damage (which I don't have) and I'm still only at 1.9M DPS. I have very similar gear, even have the scourge arrow helm enchant. My clear is pretty good even at t8 - t9, haven't got to red maps yet. I even added a bunch more jewel slots in my POB and crafted attack speed from bows and poison damage and put them in every slot and still that only gets up to about 2.6M DPS. I have no clue how you guys are getting higher, I'm using the POB Fork too btw.

https://pastebin.com/6L5Wn0nZ

Use a perfect Coralito's Signature
I don't know how many time I have repeated this particular advice in this thread (:D I'm considering of moving all my thoughts to a separate companion thread and just starting to link there instead), but to start with:
- Use a 75% Coralito's signature.

The roll on the increased Duration of Poisons explicit on the Coralito's Signature is a huge contributor to your damage, and it's a very cheap investment to get a flask with a perfect roll. You're using a 66% roll - those additional 9% are not non-negligible.

Use Despair
Afaics you are not using Despair. Despair is a de facto requirement for higher damage values with SA, either via manual casting or a curse on hit corruption on a pair of gloves.

Gem setup: do not mix Vile Toxins and Mirage Archer
In your POB you are using:
- Scourge Arrow
- Vile Toxins
- Mirage Archer
- Infused Channelling
- Deadly Ailments
- Added Chaos Damage

However, you're not using Unbound Ailments, which is also huge. The "Vile Toxins" and "Mirage Archer" discussion that is common is this thread if which on of these two to use exclusively. Let's say you go for Vile Toxins, then replace the Mirage Archer with Unbound Ailments.

For the sake of you damage values, I'm also leveling the rest of your gems to 20 (I guess you will soon be there).

Gem setup: Awakened Added Chaos Damage
As soon as possible, consider replacing Added Chaos Damage with Awakened Added Chaos damage, the latter is better from level 1, and gives a huge boost once you level it to level 5.

Resulting damage
If we apply these updates you damage goes up to 6.8M Shaper DPS.

The damage value is calculated as follows (the 1.2 as you have the helmet enchant):
- 1.2 * <thorn arrows dps> + <release at 5 stages dps>

However, this might be a bit blown up, as you have marked "Is the enemy ignited?" in you POB Configuration (for a damage boost from Cinderswall Urn). Note that this only applies if you somehow produce fire damage on the enemy (e.g. via fire damage added to attacks) which, afaics, you do not.

Without the ignited check box you land at 6.4M Shaper DPS.

Hello,
I started this league as Frost Blades Raider and I was not so happy with it so decided to try something else.
I switched to this build yesterday, I have copied Artradis' pastebin mostly and now I would need some help/ guidance on what to buy (I have 20 ex budget)

https://pastebin.com/FNraVvUK

Thanks a lot for your feedback

@artradis

Are you sure you're getting your DPS numbers correct?

Taking the POB of yours that you linked, then adding the values as you've mentioned, the result is =2.9mil
Even if I add wither stacks (which you didn't in your POB), it goes up to =4.6mil

I don't see how can you reach 6,7mil DPS, especially since you don't have anything special equipped apart from the ring. Hell, you don't even have a stygian.

Nice explanation about the clusters though, appreciate that.

Did you guys see the preview of the incoming patch?

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Fixed a bug where the "Poisons you inflict on non-Poisoned Enemies deal 300% increased Damage" stat on the Low Tolerance Cluster Jewel notable did not work.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2806232

So... this didn't work all along so far? :o

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dizika wrote:

@artradis Are you sure you're getting your DPS numbers correct?

Yes, I am quite confident about getting these DPS numbers correct.

Are you using the LocalIdentity fork of POB or the original one? The original POB is no longer maintained.

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artradis wrote:

Sure: pastebin link.

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dizika wrote:

Taking the POB of yours that you linked, then adding the values as you've mentioned, the result is =2.9mil
Even if I add wither stacks (which you didn't in your POB), it goes up to =4.6mil

I don't see how can you reach 6,7mil DPS [...]

Nice explanation about the clusters though, appreciate that.

If I import my own POB pastebin link above into POB/LocalIdentity/v 1.4.167.2 the following holds:
- Withered stacks are added (which makes me suspect you are not using the POB fork, or a different version of it),
- The Thorn Arrows dmg is 4.5M Shaper DPS, and the Release at 5 Stages dmg is 1.8M Shaper DPS, for a total of 6.3M Shaper DPS.

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dizika wrote:

[...] I don't see how can you reach 6,7mil DPS, especially since you don't have anything special equipped apart from the ring. Hell, you don't even have a stygian.

Note that 6.7M Shaper DPS (I wrote 6.3M though, nit-picking :) ) is not very much with this build given that you have set up all the POB props correctly. This number does not even take into account frenzy charges, even though we typically have 3 up from blood rage (but typically loose these during boss fights). Note also that Low Tolerance is not taken into account in the pastebin link. I think of it as only applying to clearing/mobs as long as my Shaper DPS is below 20M, at which point it may be representative to start including the Low Tolerance boost also for bosses.

I personally think you need to reach at least 15M+ Shaper DPS for this build to start feeling really great, as the perceived damage output in-game does not really reflect the POB damage values (poison build up, buffs and flask all active atc). My experience is that once we reach the higher theoretical DPS values, the in-game experience more accurately starts to match these valules, as high DPS means an easier time to keep up all our buffs and flasks etc, as we no longer need to kite to the point of loosing them.

I aim at reaching at least 50M Shaper DPS before the end of this season, so in my eyes 6.3M Shaper DPS is a good reflection of my currently very sub-par gear.