Cyclone

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Uberom wrote:

TLDR: Cyclone needs 80% damage effectiveness to be worth the risk you take of plowing into mobs. Fix it.

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Uberom wrote:

Cyclone does not give a reward that is anywhere in the same ballpark as the risk you take to use it. The main problem with it is the damage effectiveness. It needs to be at around 80%.

Players could get some really good damage at 80%, but it wouldn't be overpowered. Cyclone users go headfirst into large packs of mobs. For taking that kind of risk, their damage SHOULD be the highest in the game. It makes no sense that a player whos in the middle of death, does way less damage than some punk ranger on the outskirts holding shift shooting offscreen.

Currently I have a level 64 dual wield Ranger that uses Cyclone as its primary skill. Going dual wield, I should be elemental based, but I don't want to go that route. Physical is more appealing when you're not running Hatred, Wrath, Anger and you don't have access to the 50% increased weapon elemental damage in the Templar tree.

However, after playing with Cyclone and using two 1 handed swords that do over 200+ max physical damage, I can say that dual wield physical is just not viable. The physical damage gets nerfed into the ground due to the 40% effectiveness on the gem, and although you hit extremely fast, that low physical damage will not penetrate monsters armor at high levels. Essentially you will hit mobs for small little bits. At this point, I think due to the game mechanics, its simply NOT possible to go dual wield physical cyclone. And, in my opinion, if a build is entirely not possible, something needs to change.

TLDR: Cyclone needs 80% damage effectiveness to be worth the risk you take of plowing into mobs. Fix it.

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GhettoJesus wrote:

Been using cyc alot nowadays. The way I see it if they're gonna change anything they should up the mana cost and damage by 20%. People complain about the cost don't know what they're talking about. People complaining about risk vs reward do. I say up both a lil 48% damage effectiveness and 40-45 base mana cost will allow people to choose easier between making the skill spammy on hit effects or strong for damage at the cost of wiping your mana out(or losing a good chunk of health).

Atm I roll crit dmg/crit/chance/lloh for mixed results 15% chance of doing some absurd damage tho is nice. With wrath/hatred I get shocks/freezes on all white mobs upto map 66 at lvl 71. I havent been in enough 67-69 maps yet. lloh gives you the luxury of regaining a good chunk of lost health.

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skarrmania wrote:

Mana cost too high it is the HIGHEST among all melee skills.
Damage effectiveness too low, it is the LOWEST among all melee skills.


Compensating for the low damage with support gems just explodes the mana costs.

A cleave combined with faster attacks would be as fast hitting more hard hitting and more mana efficient without any loss of character control (and less desynch).

Suggestion:

- Lower the mana cost to something more reasonable, 10~15. Not all melee characters use blood magic.
- Increase the damage effec. to 50%

The skill need to be competitive to cleave/ground slam and not subpar.

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aimlessgun wrote:

The mana cost per second is actually not out of line at all compared to other melee skills.

Look at cleave, 11 mana per cast. At 4 aps thats 44 base mp/s.

Cyclone at 35 mana per cast. At 1 cyclone per second that's 35 mp/s.

Don't do minimum distance cyclones :/

Cleave is ONLY better with DW. With 1h/shield or 2h cyclone is more DPS and less mp/s. The thing holding cyclone back is sync, not raw numbers.

That being said, Cyclone's mana cost progression should probably be looked at. 30 mana at level 24 is kind of absurd.