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kuprums wrote:

Sounds like a great build for a newbie like me, thanks a lot :)

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UlyUly wrote:

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Syperek wrote:

One more question, what do you think about Intensify support instead of Inc AoE/Conc Effect swapping?

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Intensify and Unleash look more than great for this build. I will change the guide so it features Intensify instead of AoE/Conc.
Unleash may be a great addition too, but I'll wait until PoB gets updated to check how it works.

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Rinani wrote:

Unleash does look great for when we have to move a lot.

How is works is this, every 0.71 (At gem level 20, this might be a leveling stat) seconds it grants a charge, up to 3 charges.

When you cast a spell it will use any charges to cast it additional times equal to your current charges, at a 26% damage penalty.

So say you have the spell with echo and 3 charges.

The higher your cast rate, the less Unleash is worth for DPS.

For this build with the items in the PoB it looks like this for continuously casting (Working with float precision, not 3 significant digits, that is only to make it readable):
1/5.13 = 0.195s per cast

Casts per charge:
0.71s / 0.195s = 3.64

So we get 74% more once per 3.64 casts, averaging out to:
74% / 3.64 = 20.34% more

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UlyUly wrote:

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Rinani wrote:

Unleash does look great for when we have to move a lot.

How is works is this, every 0.71 (At gem level 20, this might be a leveling stat) seconds it grants a charge, up to 3 charges.

When you cast a spell it will use any charges to cast it additional times equal to your current charges, at a 26% damage penalty.

So say you have the spell with echo and 3 charges.

The higher your cast rate, the less Unleash is worth for DPS.

For this build with the items in the PoB it looks like this for continuously casting (Working with float precision, not 3 significant digits, that is only to make it readable):
1/5.13 = 0.195s per cast

Casts per charge:
0.71s / 0.195s = 3.64

So we get 74% more once per 3.64 casts, averaging out to:
74% / 3.64 = 20.34% more

I cannot stress how helpful this comment is! Thanks for providing me and other players with these calculations :)

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felwen wrote:

Can i ask a newbie question ? :p
Why in your talent tree you get a round for up minions, i took your pastebin for start the league in right talent, but i don't see for why you take this point in "Redemption" , "Spiritual aid" , "Righteous Army"
= just up the golem ?

Doesn't more interest too take more point for fire / area dmg ?

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Bigmarty wrote:

Whould a Ngamahu's Flame work with this build?

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Rinani wrote:

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UlyUly wrote:

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Rinani wrote:

Unleash does look great for when we have to move a lot.

How is works is this, every 0.71 (At gem level 20, this might be a leveling stat) seconds it grants a charge, up to 3 charges.

When you cast a spell it will use any charges to cast it additional times equal to your current charges, at a 26% damage penalty.

So say you have the spell with echo and 3 charges.

The higher your cast rate, the less Unleash is worth for DPS.

For this build with the items in the PoB it looks like this for continuously casting (Working with float precision, not 3 significant digits, that is only to make it readable):
1/5.13 = 0.195s per cast

Casts per charge:
0.71s / 0.195s = 3.64

So we get 74% more once per 3.64 casts, averaging out to:
74% / 3.64 = 20.34% more

I cannot stress how helpful this comment is! Thanks for providing me and other players with these calculations :)

This is the absolute minimum of more damage it will provide to the build.
Looking at time slices and real world scenarios, it looks like it might outperform Added Fire damage.
Added fire damage is only 26% more to the build.

The best case more if you only have time to cast a single echo cast every 3 * 0.71s = 2.13 seconds (And any amount of time higher than that)

It will look like I wrote in the previous post, two full damage casts and 3 casts for 74% damage.

Obviously we would get the two casts no matter what, lets call this our base case scenario slice.
It will be spending 0.195 seconds (0.39s) twice to cast and then run around for 1.74 seconds before we cast again.

Our base is that we cast twice for 200% damage, this is what we have to compare our added damage to, to get our more damage.

So 74% * 3 / 200% = 111% more

So we have a best and worst case scenario.
111% more under ideal conditions and 20.34% against a stationary target that never forces us to move. (It should be noted that that the worst case will never happen, because we start with a burst of those 3 * 74%, so it will lower the more the longer we cast, but we will never hit the 20.34% overall)

Best case scenario will be at any time where we only spend 18.3% of our time casting and the rest dodging.
Worst case scenario is where we spend 100% of our time casting.

So the real world scenario is somewhere in between.